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(@cameron_z6a_n-s)
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Great results, Ivo! Are you trying the nedle palm (Rhapidophyllum hystrix)?

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Posted : 05/10/2012 1:08 pm
lucky1
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Ivo, fabulous!

Great looking Butia and Jubaea.
Didn't think Jubaeas grew that fast. Lots of growth on it. Congratulations.

Barb

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Posted : 09/10/2012 11:44 am
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hardyjim, hope all will be OK.
Here in lower plains we had the same extremes (in southern places like Plovdiv, as sample, which didn't notice such temps since earlier 50's in last sentury. Part of them died, but remarkable percent survived and are OK with more than 10 new leaves in this growth season.
Wish you a success with your Thachy!

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Posted : 09/10/2012 3:18 pm
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Cameron, I was thought about this palm, but decided to not plant at this time because of it too small growth rate. And...hm, because I'm sure it will survive in my weather/ climate conditions - it's not challenge in this job for me :))
regards: Ivo

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Posted : 09/10/2012 3:22 pm
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Barb, you know, its great pleasure to me to sit for a few minutes to drink my weekend morning coffee around this beautiful plant, so hoping at milder winter I'lll try do do everything depending of me that Jubaea not only survive, but to not loose any of her leafs. And hope next grow season even more better rate of growth.

About Butia - that's another story: I planted it in the end of September, so must be very careful to keep in good conditions this winter. In any case, I'll report the results here.
I have another one, smaller Butia in OG, which growth was remarkable too - maybe in a third position after Wachy and Trachy's growth. Will try to post some photos too next few days.

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Posted : 09/10/2012 3:34 pm
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Thanks Ivonekitov

Here he is on the comeback trail -after spear-pull
and socket pull(the inner leaf sheathes)this was a bad injury
for any palm but especially tough on the little guy..

Pic from a few weeks ago...

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Posted : 09/10/2012 5:27 pm
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Seems very healthy now.
I have 3 like yours on a photo - they survived last "turbo"-winter with almost no damage, no any protection (one spears-pull, but recovered in a spring). In my case they have another serious problem: Summer drought in the very sandy soil on this place where they are. Of course, I irrigate them, but once at week(sometimes once on two weeks). If the little Thachys survive this winter too, I promised them to include in automatic irrigation system next year (problem is they are too away from the water source - digging channel, put a pipe etc. ; ))

P.S : Once again, very nice green color on your Thachy, I wish You(and it) a success! : )

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Posted : 10/10/2012 2:11 am
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Yea,that would be a lot of work for palms that might not make it....

these guys are pretty tough though!

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Posted : 10/10/2012 10:44 am
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Jubaea not only survive, but to not loose any of her leafs. And hope next grow season even more better rate of growth.

I'll follow your winter results with great interest.
My Jubaea are only 1 year old seedlings.
They'll spend winter in a cold building with lots of light.

Your "turbo winter" is a good description of what Europeans endured.

About Butia - that's another story: I planted it in the end of September, so must be very careful to keep in good conditions this winter

September planting = not much time to grow roots.
That's risky.

Jim, incredible recovery. 😯 😀

Barb

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Posted : 10/10/2012 11:41 am
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September planting = not much time to grow roots.
That's risky.

Yes, I know, but a guy here - nursery owner, hearing my... plaintive virtual cry about the big spring-Butia(losing his spear and, most probably his growth point too) made me suggestion which I couldn't reject :)))
And having bad opinion with the overwintering of the same-dimension plant last winter, decided to plant it in OG and provide strong winter protection. Just MUST HAVE jelly date fruits next 2-3 years!! 😛 😀

The plus in all that saga is, she already had an month of almost a perfect conditions to grow, and will have another at least 2 weeks (~75F on air day temps and ~66F on a ground in depth 40-60 sm (2 feet)
So we shall see. The practical experience will be the only judge : )

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Posted : 11/10/2012 3:16 am
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Talking about Jubaea seedlings, i have two of them, the "biggest" one:))

http://ivonekitov.glog.bg/_wm/gallery/item.php?did=3393638&df=761685&dflid=3 - two days ago

- and the same plant when I found he sprouted, in the beginning of August

I wonder what's the better solution for him - all-winter vegetation in a warm place, or giving him some piece in cooler temperatures - there are different recommendations, can be seen in the palm forums about it...

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Posted : 11/10/2012 3:33 am
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Good work!
The high price of Jubaea seeds makes it very exciting to have them germinate.

Here's one of my 3 (of 10 seeds).
I'll try de-lidding the other 7 seeds this winter.

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I wonder what's the better solution for him - all-winter vegetation in a warm place, or giving him some piece in cooler temperatures

I wonder about that too, especially with seeds from the southern hemisphere where their winter is our summer (and vice versa).

But since I germinated them during winter, then a hot summer here, I'm giving them a rest in a coldish building with lots of light, very little water.
Is is possible to change their "clock"? (hemisphere growth periods?)

decided to plant it in OG and provide strong winter protection. Just MUST HAVE jelly date fruits next 2-3 years!! icon_razz.gif icon_biggrin.gif

You may have to wait a few more years than that. 😆

By the way, what's an OG?

Barb

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Posted : 11/10/2012 12:13 pm
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By the way, what's an OG?

:)))
Sorry, I thought it's from English - Open Ground (in open air condition, in a yard, garden, not in a pot in buildings). Sorry, my fault : )

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Posted : 11/10/2012 12:50 pm
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Sorry Ivonekitov, I should've known what you meant from the topic.
And your English is PERFECT!

Got it confused with Organic Gardening.

Barb

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Posted : 11/10/2012 12:54 pm
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Hi again! : )

Here are same photos of some of my palms, made 2 weeks ago, few days before "real"winter begun in my "tropical outpost 😀 "
Have to look at exact measurements, but till 6th of December minimum at the point was aprox 25 F
After Arctic penetration had 2-3 days with minT 12 F(-11.5 to -12 C).
So, the photos before/after protection made:

Little Brahea:

Jubaea in 3 steps:

Isolation: XPS and poliethylene, heating(I'm sure it will survive with passive protection only, but i need to keep the leaves with no damage too) - 5 meters heating pipe with thermostat turning-on on temperature inside protected volume ~ 32 F

Canariensis:

after:
- passive at this time, with no heating. This palm survives with total foliage damage first ant 50-60% damage its second winter in OG, so decided to make this experiment. Think it will be OK, but... On the right back side in the little box - my little Butia, active protection( Just MUST have dates in next few years!!! 8) )

And the Trachy, with no ANY protection at this time, we shall see next week how it rebels 10.5 F/-12 C) a week ago with 2 or three frozen days(all day lower than 32 F temperature)

Another palms I have - 3-4 ft Wachy and 6-7 feet Butia(planted in September.......) with solid active protection.
Try to see will survive with mulch only a Orinoco banana in OG(rhizome) and 4 little Trachys with no protection.

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