Yucca schottii is a quick growing seedling

seedscanada · Post by **seedscanada** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:54 pm

Here are a few pics of Yucca schottii. Planted nonstratified soaked seeds in early November 2011.

Pic on February 25, 2012.. looks like it is practically growing straight up... early trunker??

Aggressive grower! They are not all like this, but these are the two strongest of the batch.
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seedscanada · Post by **seedscanada** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:57 pm

Tim, what temperature killed your schottii?
Adam

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:56 am

Hi Adam

It's difficult to ID your seedlings. They really don't look like Y. schottii with 'droopy' leaves but perhaps they are 'leggy' from starting them in winter with not much sun. I'll take a photo of the 2 schottii seedlings I have for comparison.

I'll check the weather data that year.........I don't recall any abnormal low temps that year......probably due to a combination of excess precipitation and cold. I do recall some trunk rot in the summer and remembering NEVER to pull the dead leaves off the trunk.........use cutters or even better don't take the leaves off. I don't touch my elata or rostrata leaves at all...........let them be.

Also, Y schottii juvenile plants are not hardy until the 4 th year when trunk diameter is at least 3/4 inch.

I remember having another photo of my schottii being 100% fried after the 07-08 winter........let me try to find that photo.

PS, if dry Y schottii is likely a z5b plant I believe I see Y schottii in the photos people post at the Denver Botanical Gardens.......it's more like a z6b/7a plant on the east coast (longterm).

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:09 am

Wondering why my yucca seeds germinating and start growing so funny... There are seedlings on the pic. that start growing at the same time but they look different...

seedscanada · Post by **seedscanada** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:26 am

Tim thanks for the tips. Love to see your photos.
Adam

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:06 am

Hi Adam,

here's Y. schottii damage the prior winter too. Keep them dry in winter and they may do OK in your area?? One easy way to ID Y. schottii is that the leaf surface is the SMOOTHEST of all the Yuccas (the Y. baccata v thornberi aka Y. arizonica is also very smooth).

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Here are some photos of the 2 Y. schottii seedlings I have.

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TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:10 am

Hi Adam.........if you have Y. schottii seed, scan it in or take photo. It should be thick, not thin like Y. filamentosa.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:13 am

Hi Igor,

your Yucca seedlings look OK. Sometimes the root from the seed will push up the seed and you'll see a portion of the root above the soil level. That's what's happening with some of yours. I'd repot them up individually soon or all the roots will be tangled up.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:33 am

Here's the temp data from a local station. December we had over 7 inches (18 cm) of precipitation......things were moist around here going into winter. I think we are a couple degrees warmer than this station. Low was -7F so we hit -5F likely.

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igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:46 am

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Igor, your Yucca seedlings look OK. Sometimes the root from the seed will push up the seed and you'll see a portion of the root above the soil level. That's what's happening with some of yours. I'd repot them up individually soon or all the roots will be tangled up.

Thanks Tim, should I remove a tip of the root while transplanting?

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:31 am

Hi Igor,

I usually break up the soil but try not to disturb the roots. Try not to break the roots. Yuccas love sun.....that's the #1 thing I recommend.

igor.glukhovtsev · Post by **igor.glukhovtsev** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:43 am

Right now all the yucca\agave seedlings are under good growing bulbs light. So i do not worry about that yet.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:15 am

seedscanada wrote:Here are a few pics of Yucca schottii. Planted nonstratified soaked seeds in early November 2011.

Pic on February 25, 2012.. looks like it is practically growing straight up... early trunker??

Aggressive grower! They are not all like this, but these are the two strongest of the batch.
Adam[/img]

In a few years they could look like this.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:05 am

Good info/pics Tim.
What a dilemma re hardiness begins in 4th year, yet we're supposed to put Yuccas in the ground ASAP.

That temp chart shows -7F for only a couple of days with a quick bounceback.
Probably proves that duration of cold (for the rest of us) is the biggest culprit with mortality.

Igor's y.baccata label...those wide leaves look more like tulips. Weird

Aaron, nice pic.
Guessing that's at least 50-60 years old.
Wish I'd started when I was 20...

Barb

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:29 am

Found a 2008 pic of seedling Y.rostrata.
3 years later, only 1 survives (indoors on a south window).
It's grown 2 inches in 3 years.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/southslope/2639232609/" title="DSC01439 by edible_plum, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3114/2639 ... fff8_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="DSC01439"></a>

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:10 am

Barb

Those Rostrata are the size of the one I planted in my cactus garden April 2008.

I dub thee The Yucca man Tim-let it be written cuz it's already done

BTW

The seeds you sent me started sprouting last Sunday.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:38 am

Those Rostrata are the size of the one I planted in my cactus garden April 2008

That's my point...look at how yours have grown
Mine have done ka-ka in all that time.

I should stick to palms...

BUT, yup, my Big Mama seeds are sprouting too.
Then they'll put the brakes on.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:10 pm

Yes, Yuccas stop growing just like Washingtonia palms once the root tips don't have room. Barb...you can relate to Washingtonia not growing when pot bound.....right

Yea Barb....if you have difficulties with Y. rostrata............schottii is even harder. I don't want to make you feel bad but I tossed a trunked Yucca gloriosa 'treculeana form' behind my shed and it did this..............I can't kill it!

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A few more shots of schottii

Y. schottii seedlings at my Rhode Island house:
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Y. schottii when I planted it at my house in Massachusetts June 8, 2004:
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Same Y. schottii on Nov 7 2004:
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Dead seedlings with small trunk diameter............it appears the trunk is the least hardy part of schottii like Y. treculeana.........hmmmmmm are they related??

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:12 pm

Hi Barb,

Yucca soil is less rich than palm soil too. If your using a high organic soil mix 1/3 sand or 1/3 perlite in it.

Tim

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:31 pm

You tossed that behind the shed and it didn't die?

Nope, you're not making me feel bad at all, I appreciate the advice and warnings.
How could there be stunted roots...Those slurp cups are almost 10 inches tall!

My 2008 pic yucca seedling mix does look "organic" (post-watering), but not really.
Mostly just sandy gritty stuff around here, added some bark pieces just to give it something ... well .... organic.

OK everybody...cancel all my yucca orders.

But the Big Mamas are coming up in the basement.

And I finally remembered to bring the Dasylirion wheeleri community pot back inside after a -8C 17F night.

Yup, I do recall the Washingtonia...and the CIDP...and the Trachy...

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:06 pm

[quote="TimMAz6"]

I don't want to make you feel bad but I tossed a trunked Yucca gloriosa 'treculeana form' behind my shed and it did this..............I can't kill it!
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Tim

I have some plants that need to be thrown behind your shed.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:14 pm

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:22 pm

Hey Barb,

17F on your D. wheeleri seedlings?? Your pushing their limits. Are they OK? Do you have an update photo on those babies??

I took this photo of the Dasylirion wheeleri at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington DC a few year back......it died down there in the 'tropics'. They really don't like excess moisture.........keep the rain off them.

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DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:05 pm

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Aaron,

where is the HUGE Y. schottii specimen? That's the largest schottii I've ever seen!

Your specimen blows away the Y. schottii on top of Mount Lemmon, Arizona.

It was in Pearce/Sunsites AZ at the bank, just down the road from my place.

Those pics that you posted, did you go to Mt Lemon?

I know the Y. shottii in the dragoons and the mules were big.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:19 pm

Hi Aaron,

yes, I have relatives in Tucson. We took a trip up to the top of Mt. Lemon. That's my brother in the photos. What a great place to visit. I could have stayed in AZ forever!

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:43 pm

Tim,
One of these years we may have too meet down there and go for a hike for seeds.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:44 pm

Here's a pic of that same Y. shottii at the bank in Sunsites, before they trimmed it.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:55 am

Hi Aaron,

funny thing........I didn't see any seeds or blooms on Mt. Lemon that year. Seed collecting would be great!

That huge Y. schottii untrimmed looks totally different.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:23 am

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Aaron,

funny thing........I didn't see any seeds or blooms on Mt. Lemon that year. Seed collecting would be great!

That huge Y. schottii untrimmed looks totally different.

I noticed that also. Seeds are hard to find in that area. Could be all the birds?

Y. shottii... So different, now everytime I see one untrimmed I wonder how it would look without the skirt.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:24 am

Sad they cut down the other big one next to it.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:19 am

Tim, cool Mt. Lemmon pics.
Strange to see the blue yuccas growing under the pine canopy.
Maybe a rockfall sent the seeds there? or birds?

Aaron, IMO it looks better trimmed.
Ever since I found a black widow spider in my big y.brevifolia (which died the first year outside), everything gets trimmed.

That pic from the Smithsonian...ugh...hate to see these things croaking.

D. wheeleri seedlings?? Your pushing their limits. Are they OK? Do you have an update photo

Well, they won't win any awards now living in the cold garage but here they are...the remainder anyway.
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If you two are going seed hunting, take burlap sacs ... and a week's supply of food.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:32 pm

Hi Barb,

someone just sent me some D. wheeleri seed.....if you want more let me know and I'll mail you some.

Tim

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:40 pm

lucky1 wrote: Strange to see the blue yuccas growing under the pine canopy.

Aaron, IMO it looks better trimmed.
Ever since I found a black widow spider in my big y.brevifolia (which died the first year outside), everything gets trimmed.

If you two are going seed hunting, take burlap sacs ... and a week's supply of food.

Barb

They like too grow within the trees, very cool forests down there.

They look better trimmed, I agree.

Sorry too hear about your j-tree.

A week long hike...

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:50 pm

Dragoon Mts

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:52 pm

those are some stunning specimens Aaron! Where are the Dragoon Mts??

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:56 pm

TimMAz6 wrote:those are some stunning specimens Aaron! Where are the Dragoon Mts??

They are just east of Tombstone and West of Pearce AZ. Have you ever been to Bisbee? There is big ones growing on the sides of the hills there. Bisbee is in the Mule Mts and they are just south of the Dragoons. Nice sized ones in the Chiricahuas also.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:07 pm

Hi Aaron,

the 2 schottii seedlings I have now are from the Chiricahuas Mts......I think 8,000 ft.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:58 pm

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Aaron,

the 2 schottii seedlings I have now are from the Chiricahuas Mts......I think 8,000 ft.

Awesome, that is were I was hoping to find some seed from. I think I seen them higher there than anywhere else. Should be some hardy agave and other stuff from there.

Pics from thye Chiricahuas.
Dasylirion, agave, nolina

And the view. The dragoons are across the valley.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:31 pm

Hey Tim,
last winter the Bayfield Bunch did extensive touring in and around Bisbee, Arizona.
Aaron provided the link, and I followed along including my friends who were down there nearby.
Added to Aaron's photos of the Dragoons, etc., I felt like I'd been on a vacation after seeing all those pics.

Fabulous country.

Aaron, the two Dragoon Mtn yucca pics you just posted.
If they love the shade of the forest because it's so hot there, wonder why we're planting them in full sun?

Barb

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:43 am

lucky1 wrote:Hey Tim,

Aaron, the two Dragoon Mtn yucca pics you just posted.
If they love the shade of the forest because it's so hot there, wonder why we're planting them in full sun?

Barb

You can find them growing in the wild in fun sun, but they seem too like growing among the trees. There is still plenty of light within the trees. I think they like areas with a higher moisture content, so that could be why they grow among the oaks etc...

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