As far as Im aware theres no real dissagreement about the fact that the climate is changing to some degree. The reasons as to why and how, is the main argument that pops up is it not?

I agree. 😀

I also have a problem with people wanting to take money away from other people to "fix the problem" We don't even now if there is a problem or if it is a normal event. If you look over the past few thousand years there is nothing unusual about our weather. In the past thousand or couple of hundred years, yes it has warmed. Even if it is man made that does not mean that it can be or should be fixed.
Climate Change is one of the few things people want money to be spent on, but cant show any figures/numbers for the dollars spent. There is no way of knowing if it takes 100 dollars to "fix the problem" or a 100 tril.
If I need money to help feed staving people in the world I can give you cost per tax dollar's and I can give you a number of how many people will be fed for those dollars. If I want to go to the moon, I can give you a cost of how much money it will take to do so. This never has been the case with GW/CC, that is why it is a politicians best friend.
They can take your money (wich would do more good if it went to world hunger) and control your life with new regs and show absolutely no figures/numbers that they have done anything to help with or if they made the problem worse.
Ask any politician promoting CC/GW how many dollars it will take to fix the problem and they can not give you a answer. They can and will tell you if you dont do something the future will get worse. If we spend the money and it keeps getting warmer they will say it would have been worse if we did nothing. If the exact same warming happens without spending any money, they will say we did nothing and now we are paying for it. See a politicians best freind. 😉
Now for all the people that feel we need to spend our hard earned dollars on CC/GW. Everyone of us has the freedom to give all the money we want to the GOV or any other nonprofit org. we want. Helping the poor with education/trade schools is a good start. 😀

Well said Aaron. Follow the money!

Ask any politician promoting CC/GW how many dollars it will take to fix the problem and they can not give you a answer. They can and will tell you if you dont do something the future will get worse. If we spend the money and it keeps getting warmer they will say it would have been worse if we did nothing. If the exact same warming happens without spending any money, they will say we did nothing and now we are paying for it. See a politicians best freind. 😉
Now for all the people that feel we need to spend our hard earned dollars on CC/GW. Everyone of us has the freedom to give all the money we want to the GOV or any other nonprofit org. we want. Helping the poor with education/trade schools is a good start. 😀

I agree, well said - you my friend are correct. If Al Gore actually cared he wouldn't live in a 30,000sq ft home and fly around the world in jets all the time as he stands to make billions on this scam of the century. I can't stand the hypocracy. What really bothers me most is now no matter what happens now cold/hot rain/snow everything is our fault. The earth has been warming since the last Ice age which killed the dinosaurs that used to live in my state of Connecticut, no people to blame. The Earth has been doing this forever. Heating and cooling.

Paul

The worse thing, is when you realize all thes corperations that are creating all the main pollution, lobby the politicians into place. (this is starting to sound liek a episode of x files 😈 )

This is how I see it. The earth is cooler now, then it was millions of years ago. Im pretty sure that the amound of CO2 we put into the atmosphere isnt doing it any good. But when you realize that more then half the entire worlds forest are now cities or waste dumps, its not the fact were creating pollution ( well it is I think to some degree) , its the fact that we are getting rid of the earths main way of regulating CO2. Only 40 years ago, almost all the rainforests were intact, now if I remember right, its down to less then half or a third. Nature works in balance, but when you take away a major portion of plants things dont work "how they are supposed to" ( its in quotes becasue im sure we are all aware here, that climate and weather does what it wants for the most part).

The earth goes through heating and cooling periods. The brief ice ages are called hienrich (sp) events. Theyve been prevalent in human evolution for most of our recent evolution. On the opposite end, they are also thought to have wipped out the neanderthol in Europe. This is a short ice age in europe lasting a few thousands years, before dramaticly warming.

Also, paleantologists now think that CO2 levels were much higher in the time of the dinosaurs. The earth changes. I think we are just more frightened that our way of life will be changed.

I wonder if global warming would have any benefits (other than all of us able to grow our palms without protection) Such as growing more food for the world, not having to burn as much fossil fuel to heat our homes = less pollution. There may be benefits.

Paul

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2011-02-25-geoengineering25_CV_N.htm

What happened to planting some trees, and actualy STOP messing with the weather....

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2011-02-25-geoengineering25_CV_N.htm

What happened to planting some trees, and actualy STOP messing with the weather....

I agree, this stuff scares me. What if they put us into an ice-age. Try and plant crops under ice and snow. Kiss us people in the north goodby. 😡

They can take your money (which would do more good if it went to world hunger) and control your life with new regs and show absolutely no figures/numbers that they have done anything to help with or if they made the problem worse.

Couldn't have said it better, Aaron!
Plus...gov't is more than halfway there now with control via regulations, especially in Canada.
You can't sneeze without a pricey permit in BC ( = Bring Cash).

I personally agree with reducing pollution.
CO2 isn't pollution.

Barb

I personally agree with reducing pollution.
CO2 isn't pollution.

Not sure that I agree with that Barb... Look up the chemistry of ocean acidification, then repeat that statement! Also, think about what we breathe...

What is Newtons third law again?

Edit: CO2 has also been demonstrated in laboratory conditions to act as a greenhouse gas.

I personally agree with reducing pollution.
CO2 isn't pollution.

Barb

I agree
CO2 is no more a pollution to plants than air is to humans. Not saying too much of anything cant be bad. To much air to a fish might kill it. 😐

What we exhale is pollution? 😆 😆

Just a few industrial "smokestack" pollutants: sulphuric acid, hydrochloric acid, hydrogenfluoride.
And the stuff that's dumped into landfills in industrial quantities leaches into lakes and rivers and oceans.
http://www.zerowaste.ca/articles/column180.html

Acid-rain-causing pollutants. And cancer-causing.
Barb

Im thinking "pollutant" in terms of Co2 means, putting to much. It is known that Co2 is a greenhouse gas, which can cause warming trends. Technicaly nothing natural is a pollutant, is how much we put into the enviroment, while not having enough plant mass to remove it. And its also HOW we use it.g

What we exhale is pollution? 😆 😆

Exactly! You get it! CO2 is not a 'traditional' pollutant, but in excess it sure as hell is a pollutant. When the level of a gas increases too fast for the planet to adapt, and when it causes undesirable consequences, it is a pollutant.

Here's my analogy (Please DO NOT try this at home):

Seal a single room in your house completely. Make sure there is no gas exchange between this room and the air outside of this room. Now, you go into this room and see how long you last. There is no 'pollution' in the traditional sense (well, maybe some methane and some background radiation... And probably some stuff form the plastic you used to seal the room), but I guarantee that it won't take too long for the air to become 'polluted' in the sense I'm using! I also guarantee that it won't be the traditional pollutants that kills you.

Oversimplified? You bet.

I`ve posted this before. I think it`s appropriate to post it again in light of the current "debate"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

John

Ha! Thanks for that!

Most scientists won't take the time to debunk all of the problems with the data presented by these 'scientists'...

FYI- Bob Carter has the fortunate (unfortunate?) history of being tightly linked to the oil-industry.

Here is a rebuttal:
http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=6139

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/10/bob_ward_thinks_that_bob_carte.php

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm

http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5478