What palm can survive 37 nights of 10F or less/17 zero/less

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:41 am

& 48 days with highs 32F or less?

These first 3 palms had no protection,these have been
in since 2008-so,no cover,no added mulch-no heat.

1.Sabal Lou in the most exposed part of the yard....
slowly recovering.

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2.another Lou,no cover no heat.

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3.S.Lou...once again,totally incovered/unmulched....

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4.S.McCurtain....3rd year in a row covered but no heat.
Toughest of the bunch in my experience.

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5.another S.Lou,it had a big cover but only one C-9
X-mas light next to the growth point...

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6.S.Brazoria hidden away in the shade....
smaller cover but only one C-9 light.

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You can see it really helps to have the growth point underground.
The 2 Needle palms with the same treatment are completely dead.

cuja1 · Post by **cuja1** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:10 pm

One site on Dave's Garden rates Sabal Minor McCurtain as hardy to zone 5b:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/133718/

don't know if they are reliably hardy in zone 5b but with the results you've had, it seems possible. I'm really interested in getting a S. Lou now. The size of the fronds is much more impressive than with the McCurtain (though just having a palm in zone 5 is impressive to me). I'm wondering if maybe close to the foundation in a zone 5b, if a McCurtain would be reliable as a die back perennial.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:36 pm

probably would be,in spite of losing its leaves
for the last 3 winters, this is the biggest it has grown.

I would say z6 for sure,well sited.
If I start over at a new place I think
I would leave out Sabal and Needle palms.

Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:06 pm

Pretty impressive Jim! How may GDD do you have there? I can't get anything close to that level of recovery up here!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:29 pm

I think we are around 3000 GDD

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:46 am

My sabals have been extremely hardy for me too Jim. I love those Louisianas and brazorias. I have purchased 6 more sabal Lou this year and another Brazoria.

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:09 pm

Glad you never asked me as I'd have said, "none."
Also glad Sabal proved me wrong!

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:23 pm

Chad

I did the same thing,I think I had 2 Brazoria(still do,one in a pot)
and I bought 6 or 7 of the Lou

Eric

Their cold hardiness is because the growth point is
still protected underground but regardless...that ground was hard!

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:12 am

source of the sabal lou? would like to get a few myself. the sabal braz i got from you had massive burns from last winter jim..cover with no heat but has put out lots of new growth and done extremely well this year. only palm i had survive last winter.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:38 pm

All of my Sabal Lou came from Steve (e-bay store
NorthofFlorida palms)...He was the third man into
an argument/discussion on another forum and would not
mind his own business = now he wont sell me palms anymore!-lol
Kind of a paranoid asshole but he does grow some sweet palms...

TerdalFarm · Post by **TerdalFarm** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:17 am

I bought my Sabal "Lou" from a vendor in Oklahoma City:
http://www.alligatoralley.com/palminfo.html

Great guy, good to do business with.

My Sabal "Lou" survived (with protection) our "colder than the south pole" event in 2011.
I passed it on to another Palmsnorth member, KrisK. It is doing better for him than me.

So, check with this vendor. He isn't on this forum.

cuja1 · Post by **cuja1** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:13 pm

TerdalFarm wrote:I bought my Sabal "Lou" from a vendor in Oklahoma City:
http://www.alligatoralley.com/palminfo.html

Great guy, good to do business with.

My Sabal "Lou" survived (with protection) our "colder than the south pole" event in 2011.
I passed it on to another Palmsnorth member, KrisK. It is doing better for him than me.

So, check with this vendor. He isn't on this forum.

I got my S. Minor McCurtain from them. I was happy with the quality. This will be it's first winter outdoors, so we'll see how hardy it is.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:04 pm

cuja1 wrote:
TerdalFarm wrote:I bought my Sabal "Lou" from a vendor in Oklahoma City:
http://www.alligatoralley.com/palminfo.html

Great guy, good to do business with.

My Sabal "Lou" survived (with protection) our "colder than the south pole" event in 2011.
I passed it on to another Palmsnorth member, KrisK. It is doing better for him than me.

So, check with this vendor. He isn't on this forum.
I got my S. Minor McCurtain from them. I was happy with the quality. This will be it's first winter outdoors, so we'll see how hardy it is.

I hope you have the same experience I
did,mine has been covered but not heated
for 3 winters and is still with us-amazing palm!

cuja1 · Post by **cuja1** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:49 pm

hardyjim wrote:
cuja1 wrote:
TerdalFarm wrote:I bought my Sabal "Lou" from a vendor in Oklahoma City:
http://www.alligatoralley.com/palminfo.html

Great guy, good to do business with.

My Sabal "Lou" survived (with protection) our "colder than the south pole" event in 2011.
I passed it on to another Palmsnorth member, KrisK. It is doing better for him than me.

So, check with this vendor. He isn't on this forum.
I got my S. Minor McCurtain from them. I was happy with the quality. This will be it's first winter outdoors, so we'll see how hardy it is.

I hope you have the same experience I
did,mine has been covered but not heated
for 3 winters and is still with us-amazing palm!

So it survived the 2013/2014 winter with nothing but a cover for protection!

that's 13 consecutive days below freezing. Did the fronds burn that year?

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:04 pm

From the 4th to the 10th of Jan/2015
was a nice warm stretch...the lows...
3,0,-5,-9,-13F,-2,0....it hit -13 again
the next week but it all started in November
with 10 days below freezing in a row,I have
never seen it that cold for that long in November.

All the leaves on all the Sabal were toasted.

cuja1 · Post by **cuja1** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:13 am

hardyjim wrote:From the 4th to the 10th of Jan/2015
was a nice warm stretch...the lows...
3,0,-5,-9,-13F,-2,0....it hit -13 again
the next week but it all started in November
with 10 days below freezing in a row,I have
never seen it that cold for that long in November.

All the leaves on all the Sabal were toasted.

I figured, my needle palms leaves were mostly green. I mulched around the trunk so that might have been what saved the spear. Getting mulch out of the trunk isn't a very fun job though.

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:13 pm

I had a 15 gallon Brazoria survive from Steve last winter so this year I have planted a 15 gallon Cape Hatteras and a 2 gallon Warren County miner I purchased from him. Just planted a Brazoria I picked up from Tony a PDN. Went out on a limb an purchased some sabal lou's from an eBay seller, hope they real. We will find out in a few decades.

miketropic · Post by **miketropic** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:32 pm

Just checked there site seems there sold out of everything, will try to remind myself to check back in the spring

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:03 pm

Steve in the Hardy palm board has some for sale...

http://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm ... 12459.html

chadec · Post by **chadec** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:51 pm

Mike,
Which site did you check? PDN still has brazoira and louisianas. And Steve does too.