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Post by Kansas » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:42 pm

The wife got her bonus check this week and she TOLD ME TO BUY IT!!! So she wouldn't have to look at another "Gawd Damn Palm Tree Again!!!!!" :lol:
She told me to buy it and if I didn't, she was going to. So I bought the "Harbor Freight" one. I just got the 8' - 6'. I know you all told me to buy the bigger one, but shoot, as many darn palms as I have lost this winter due to dry air and lack of circulation, shoot I will have PLENTY of room.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=47712

Before I get started putting it up this weekend, is there anything I should know??
And will it be OK to put all my palms in there as long as I put a heater in it??



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Post by PALMETTOMAN » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:00 pm

Hey Kansas,

Where do you plan on setting it up...?

Hopefully that holds all those fine specimans you have...I'd use a small space heater aimed at a large pail of water for the humidity...and of course..grow bulbs...

Should be fine...That should keep you busty till spring..

Tell your wife to look at the brite side...now you can grow your own stuff...

PS: post some pics when you get it set up...

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Post by Kansas » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:09 am

Spot I have picked out is the biggest problem. I want to put it in a spot that gets the most sun. However, that would put the Robusta I have planted in the ground right in the middle of the doorway. I could move it to where it would be in the middle of the GH, but that would ruin my whole purpose for planting the Robusta (passer-bys-looking at a palm in Kansas).
So I'm not sure where I want to put it.
The heater with water is the best way I can think of too with a fan blowing of coarse. I am REALLY going to need you guys help with advise too.

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Post by oppalm » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:16 am

Congratulations. Dam I want one of those things so bad. You probably know this, but gardenweb has a greenhouse forum where people discuss the HFGH in depth. They have lots of advice and pictures to help with construction. check it out. I think the directions that come with the GH are screwed up. There are updated ones on line that are more complete. Anyway have fun.
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Post by Laaz » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:50 am

Kansas do they keep these in stock ? I have a HF right down the road from me. Have a look at this model...

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=93358

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Post by Knnn » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:50 am

Kansas,
Congratulations! As Oppalm suggested, some of the quirks of the HFGH are described in more detail on the GW board. I'll show you a couple things done with mine. These may not be correct for what you want to do with yours but may give you some ideas.

Siting is probably the most important and long lasting decision you will have to make.
Mine is South facing to receive full sun in the Winter, During the warmer months decidious trees provide shade.
Keeping things cool during a Kansas Summer is tough, You can always use shade cloth too.


Actually planted some more trees in front here to help.

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Winter Heat ~ Electric ceramic heaters have been working well here, On the bottom shelf is a B&D 1500W utility heater that has handled the majority of heating needs this Winter.
I also load up the GH with water jugs, retains some heat due to added mass. The biggest benefit seems to be the moderating effects as to temp. swings.


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Humidity ~ A bucket of water with a heater aimed at it is a good idea! Here I sunk a small tote in the ground to achieve the same effect.


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Shelving ~ Wire mesh on a wooden frame, or set up on blocks,etc

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Air circulation ~ Just been buying the cheap fans, these do run 24/7 and last about a year or two.


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Even pulled some out of the old 'fridge. (upper right corner)


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Be sure to give some thought to venting and an exhaust fan for this Summer. Wireless thermometers and automated controls are nice too. Wish I had some :lol:
Things can be as elaborate or simple as you like, Best of luck with it !!

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Post by macario » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:54 am

Congradulations ! now you can have fun with you plants all winter long.

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Post by Kansas » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:31 pm

OP, Thanks a million for the heads up on the directions. I am having a buddy that lives for this kind of stuff help me as I can't even figure out those dang shelves you buy at Wal Mart.


Laaz, Yes, they did have these in stock. The one you had linked was actually above $700 so I took the cheaper road as I think city codes might be against me with one that big. But yes, go see if they have one in stock.

Steve, I am going to have to keep looking at your house pics as an example. Thanks for the heads up. You are going to get a hands on look in March right????? You ARE coming to "Arnold's" w/ me and OP right????

Mac, I sure hope I can make things work in the Winter. Keep my digits crossed.

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Post by Laaz » Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:05 pm

Thanks Kansas. I'm going down tomorrow to see if they have the large one in stock.

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Post by tropicman » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:20 pm

Newbie here,and also from Kansas,south down to Wichita way!!!
Just curious,Kansas,did you get your greenhouse up before the snow storm??
I just wanted to say,I have a lady friend here in town,that has bought one,for about 3 years now,and she heats hers with a oil filled raditator heater,and she says it works just great,no matter how cold,it keeps it a few degrees above freezing.
The more plants you have in the greenhouse the less air you have to heat,so pack them full,I have all mine packed full.I heat with natural gas .
If your interested,I have a small propane heater,3 to 6000 btu heater,brand new,never been out of the box,I paid $100,and will let go for 50 bucks,for when you ever have a electic outage,you could use for a back up heater.
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PS,Pics of a few things I grow.
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Post by Kansas » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:01 am

WELCOME!!!!!
Thanks for the info on the fact that more plants in there, less heat I will nead as I never thought of that.
No, I didn't get it built before the snow :oops:
Since your in Wichita, I hear there are a couple homes that have Fortunei planted in ground. I would love to try one as I have a Washy Robusta currently in the ground. But I want to get it in the ground ASAP and don't know if "Nature's Way" in Wichita will get them soon enough for me. Do you know of anybody that has one for sale around Wichita?
Also, there are some BEAUTIFUL, HUGE trunking Yuccas on the side of a church at the off ramp of Kellogg & Washington. As you exit off Kellogg going west, look to your emmediate right at the church. WHAT ARE THOSE???? They are GREAT!!!!!

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Post by tropicman » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:53 pm

Thanks,I bought my 2 footer fortuneri,at Derees Nursery on south Broadway last year.for 39 bucks.,so this is it's first year,and doing quite well,it has grown about a foot now,so it's right around 3 ft tall,I have it surrounded by bales of straw,with a sheet of plastic over the top,to keep the crown dry.
I didn't see any there at my last visit,but it will be spring time before they get any back in.
Natures way didn't have anything when I visited they before Xmas,said he didn't know when he'd get a new shipment in,but I'll bet about time for the spring and garden show last weeek of February.
Hillside nursery might have some left over from last summer,but I haven't visited them since early summer,I do know
Treetop nursery had some,had some Queen palms,10 fters or taller for 69 bucks before thanksgiving.
If you really want to see some big yuccas,go to central and Maze rd,go west across the creek,first street to our south on the corner,huge huge yuccas,biggest I've ever seen,it fits his house which is a southwwestern design.he travels to Dallas every april to a farmers market,and buys huge bananas and palms and lots of tropicals for a 1/3 of a price you can get them here.
He told me it's only open for a couple weeks in April,being that he owns a cargo and van dealership,he travels down there and pulls a big trailor and fills it with plants,and he plants them in the ground,and treats them as annuals.
If you want to get more hieght out of your greenhouse,I'd build a base frame form railroad ties,and set your greenhouse on top of them,one of the ladies I garden with has one,and she wishes she had done this to get more height for the bigger plants.

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Post by Kansas » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:19 am

Great, I will give all those folks a call

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Post by Knnn » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:47 pm

Tropicman,
Thanks for the info on those Yuccas, going to be down that way this Spring and will be sure to bring my camera :lol:

Your picture link did not work out, - Think you need to use the [img] format with Photobucket to embed them.
Would like to see some of your collection!



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Post by tropicman » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:30 pm

Your welcome,
Randy Jackson,is the fellow that owns the Yuccas,he has been noted in the newspaper many times for his summer landscaping.
The link,works for me,it takes you to share my albums.click on my albums.
Try this new one.
http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l302/dbrya1/

Here's another site I have some photos in as well.
http://community.webshots.com/user/dbryan251

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Post by Knnn » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:25 pm

Don,
Links are working now.....I am going to have to take a day off to finish looking through your photos :lol:
Quite an extensive and amazing collection you have, Gives me new hope for some of the things I am trying.

Thanks for sharing!!



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Post by tropicman » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:59 pm

Thanks,
Day off every now and then is a good thing,especially when you enjoy what your doing!!!
The water tour,are ponds here in Wichita,during the kansas pond society,pond tour during the spring and summertime.
Every fall,I give away about 2/3 of my plants away,I don't have the room to overwinter everything.
Fall of 2004,I gave two semi truck loads to the Sedgwick county zoo,I gave them a call,and they sent a crew to dig everything up,I had a heart attack,5 by pass,and wasn't able to dig everything up,and I wanted them to go to a good home,and I can go visit them anytime I want to,because they planted a lot of it in the jungle/rainforest exhibit.
So if you see anything,let me know!
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Post by Knnn » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:24 am

It was nice of them to help you out with your plants, and even nicer to be able to go and visit them :lol:

I have some medical concerns of my own and know what a damper that can be, Hope these things work out well long term for the both of us. Will look you up when the weather turns nicer, have been starting into tropicals, hoping to find some Brug. cuttings and some Philodendron varieties. Have P.Selloum in the middle of the GH now, might not be the best choice due to its habit, but I like it so it stays. ( makes a nice canopy for the lower light stuff 8)


Kansas ~ Sorry if I hijacked your thread here a bit, Let us know how the construction works out!, Will have a few things to send your way to help fill it too 8)


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Post by Kansas » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:37 pm

Hijack all you want buddy.
You just name the date you need me to come up.

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Post by tropicman » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:00 pm

Steve,
P Selloum,will get mighty huge in time,mine was so big,one man couldn't lift it.
Your welcome to come on down,anytime and take cuttings on anything I have,or we can divide just as easy.
I wished I'd have moved to palms a lot earlier,,but getting close to 60 now,probably won't have a lot of time to see my babies become full size palms!
When I first started with tropicals,everyone here was so negative about growing plams,they were difficult,so I never felt I could grow them,and to this day orchids are my hardest to keep alive,less lone getting them to rebloom again!!
I just bought a couple lotuses from Texas waterlillies.com.and they just arrived last week,and I potted them up,AND HAVE LEAVES ALREADY.!!
If you have a bog or pond,look these guys up,great prices and good healthy plants,fast shipping too.

Hope to see you soon.
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Post by Laaz » Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:54 pm

Don. Very nice collection you have there !

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Post by tropicman » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:32 pm

Thanks Laaz,
I just recently,recieved some Yazu lemon seeds,trying to germinate them now,with some winter protection,I might just be able to grow a citrus tree outside in Kansas,you have any expeience with this Yazu lemon tree?
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Post by Laaz » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:40 pm

Hey Don. Yes I have mature fruiting Yuzu's in the ground here. From seed they will take many years to produce fruit. If you have rootstock I can send you some budwood in the spring. If not I can bud one up for you in the spring.

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Post by tropicman » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:51 pm

Sorry,I don't have any rootstalk,but would be glad to get one from you,and give it the test try here in zone 6,or zone 7 according to the new zone map!!!
Always looking and experimenting with plants looking for the cold hardy tropicals I can get my hands on.
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Post by Laaz » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:35 pm

Don without major protection, even a Yuzu will not make it in your area. Probably the only citrus that would make it in your area would be Poncirus Trifoliata. Yuzu are hardy, but not that hardy... Yuzu is good to brief periods to 10 F but not prolonged periods like that.

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Post by tropicman » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:32 pm

Ok,thanks,
The fellow I got the seeds says there is a guy in Colorado springs area,that has had one for I believe going on 5 years now,planted in the ground,on the south side of his house,not sure of the amount of protection it is under,but I'm willing to give it a try with a straw bale greenhouse protection that I'm currently giving my trachycarpus fortuneri palm,which seems to be doing just great under there so far.
It will be in a micro climate area as well,next to the drive way and garage for extra wind protection also.
I will have to look up about the Poncirus Trifoliata,I'm not familiar with this one at all.
Thanks for that info.
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Post by Knnn » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:02 pm

Don,

My plan is to put a couple CIDP's in the ground here this year, will take some heroic measures thru the Winter's but I like them so why not?

I think anything in the ground is worthwhile as long as you like it and are willing to do what it takes to keep it going 8)
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Post by tropicman » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:04 pm

Hey Steve,
I was thinking on the same lines as you,I bought one this fall at the Johnson Nursery fall sale,a 3 fter,at least for 30 bucks.
It continues to put new growth quite fast,which is rare according what everone says that they are such a slow grower.
I also bought a pindo butia,jelly palm,on line back in October,that I was planning on planting in the ground this spring,I've seen so many pictures of them covered with snow,I think it is also worth trying as well.
I also purschased a couple trachycarpus waggies from Mark Wonder in Conniecut last month,he said he had grown them from seed that he got from Japan,and he had them growing for 4 years,there about 2 ft,I'm also going to plant them this coming spring,on top that I'm going to test a red tiger musa sikki banana,for it'd hardiness as welll.
I happen to have one left,a 3 fter if your interested in giving one a try as well.
I'm also germinating some Yuzu lemon seeds I got from a fellow in Colorado,who says a friend of his is growing one outside of Colorado spring,for at least 5 yrs now,heck I got a lot of things,I'm wanting to try,you never know until you try,it's not like I haven't lost a plant before,for one reason or another.
I left a pink beauty brugmansia in the ground this winter to see if it will come back next spring,but after seeing tonite's weather on next weekend,about a big artic blast coming our way,highs only reaching the teens,I'm afraid it's not going to make it,but I have plenty if it doesn't.
I have a running taro,elephant ear that keeps coming back every year now for about 4 years that I got from south florida,so anything is possible,and that has convined me you just never know what to expect!!
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Post by Knnn » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:37 am

Don,

I might take you up on that, Have a couple things to send down your way. Do you have room for a Banyan in your GH? :lol:
Have some 2'-4' seedlings that are already developing aerial roots. These can be contolled, at least for a while by under potting.

The CIDP seedlings I have were frozen in their pots at 15*F, Thawed and started growing again. ( That happened two Winters ago at the 2-3 strap leaf stage) Might not mean anything in the long run but I'll take it as a good omen. The hay bales are a good idea. I'm going to construct 3' x 3' x 4" squares this season. Cover both sides with plastic and then just piece them together over what needs protection thiis fall. I think this might be a workable solution for some of the larger growing stuff....

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Post by Laaz » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:59 am

Poncirus Trifoliata is normally used as a cold hardy root stock. Flying Dragon is the dwarf variety. It should handle your zone without protection. The fruit is not edible but makes a cool plant.

If you are going to provide protection you can grow just about any Citrus. If I was you I would try some Satsuma mandarin varieties, very sweet & cold hardy.

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Post by tropicman » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:27 am

Thanks Laaz,
I'll check on that Satsuma Mandarin!

Steve,
CIDP,seem to be a tough plant,especially at the seedling stage,and as big as a crown these get with age,I don't have the room
for that large of a plam inside the greenhouse.
Sure I'll take a few Banyans,I'm game for about anything,with airel roots hanging down,very cool looking plant!

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Post by Kansas » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:41 am

Steve,
I have a problem, the Banyan you gave me, which I LOVE and is one of my favorite trees, was doing GREAT up until about a week and a half ago. No change in watering (maybe once every two weeks), no change in climate (still setting where it has been since Nov.). Now it is yellowing leaves and they fall off.
I did give it some 10-10-10 and it still is not helping. HELP as I love this tree.
BTW, If Tropics is kind enough, I too am going to try the some of his bananas. Between the three of us, we should be able to come up with a way to make them work in Kansas.

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Post by Knnn » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:52 am

Don,

Sounds good, I'm working on a a few things to bring down your way in the next month or so. Probably end of Feb. or the beginning of March ~ ( Need to unload the GH to be able to retrieve some things )

Kansas, (Wes)

Ficus's will sometimes get tempermental and drop leaves due to lower light, drafts,etc. They usually will bounce right back. Would keep it on the drier side till growth picks up again.

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Post by Kansas » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:05 am

I'll do that.
Steve, would this week be a good one to come down?

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Post by oppalm » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:21 am

Hey Wes - you got that greenhouse up yet? The temps for the next week don't look so good for contruction work. Did you read all the information on garden web about the contruction. I think you can go online at Harbor Freight an dget updated building plans, which will help.
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Post by tropicman » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:37 am

Ok,just let me know,and I'll try to have a few things for you as well.
If I knew what might be your plans for the future,as far as your landscaping plans,for all us kansans,I might be able to come up with a few things to save everybody some money and time.
I have lots of crinums that need to be divided,and I know some people in zone 6 tennesseee area,say they come back every year there,and I even had one come back last year for me,given it was a mild winter!
These are great in ponds and in bog areas as well.They get quite huge in time.

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Post by Knnn » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:43 am

Don,
Not quite sure what my landscaping plans are yet, watched a lot of stuff shrivel up and blow away in the wind last year :lol:
Thinking of Yuccas and Agaves in the yard, Going to turn the GH into a jungle this year, I will be in touch about some cuttings. ( I have the pink Brug. already~ looking for the yellow & white ones . Also any Philodendrons)

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Post by tropicman » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:17 am

Well if your interested in some large ears,I have some,also some ti plants,I think I just have the one fox face philodenron,but your welcome to some cuttings,I have some diffenbachias if your interested in that sort of plants,and lots of epihyllums,all kinds in different colors,have castor beans seeds if your intersted in any of those.
I might have some pups under my recurving yucca outside will have to look.
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Post by Knnn » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:36 am

Kansas, (Wes)

Any updates on the Green House? ( probably has been too cold to get much going :|
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Post by Kansas » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:28 am

I was hoping to get a start this weekend until they brought the freezing rain into the story :cry:
Plus I had some personal things come up this weekend and need to help my Daughter (not really my daughter, but her Dad has never been in the picture from birth, so I am the Father figure) move a bunch of stuff.
I am hoping that this week will have the teens for lows, then one week of warm, then one more week of teens, then that MIGHT be it for the really cold stuff and I can get it put up.
I am still hoping for you to tell me I can come up. Can you use some CIDP popped seeds with good roots starting (no straps yet)?

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