Barb, I think that the solution for the CIDP is a BIGGER garbage can 😆

Barb, I think that the solution for the CIDP is a BIGGER garbage can 😆

Looking at the pic with the 2 cans I was thinking the same thing. 😆

Wow! Big project.

When I get cleared by the doc., I have some (lots) of that to do, too.
Hard work, but I kind of like seeing the roots.

Erik, no more that 5 kilo even if you have the W's tractor!

Isn't there a horror movie about roots that take over??? 😉

Anyway,your pictures illustrate well how the story of
cold hardy palms begins! 😆

My understanding is that this is exactly how the Bulgarian Trachys
started out(so to speak),they were planted -in ground- after getting to big to move!

Bulgarian Trachys

They actually left them out in pots the first winter-I think

http://www.polarpalm.net/en/start.html

So far, phoenix are brutal for filling pots in my experience. I repotted a pygmy date that had roots growing INTO the plastic pot.... ive never seen that before....

I had a CIDp in a 2 gallon pot for a year, and it took over almost as bad as yours had. I didnt go for the garbage can.... yet, but its in a 10 gallon dog treat bucket. Next step is the garbage can....

BTW, I have to thankk you barb and everyone else who recommended the sunshine mix. I didnt get the number 4, in the giant bundle, I got the general mix, in the smaller bundle. I ended up repotting over 20 things and everything that went into the mix went absolutely NUTS. My Musa (all of them) especially loved the soil, as well as my mandevilla

** sry barb, I seen it in the pic...

Yes, there must be larger garbage cans available...maybe a commercial refuse bin is next 😆 😆

they were planted -in ground- after getting to big to move!
Bulgarian Trachys
They actually left them out in pots the first winter-I think

Wow, that's quite the decision to make!
Maybe my next choice is a second palm hut... 😕 😯 oh man, what am I saying???? 😆 😆

like seeing the roots

Good point, Erik. White fleshy roots are generally a sign of good health, but in this case I think the CIDP is going into decline.
Or maybe I should fertilize it every two days because there's no soil 😆
And Igor's right...don't lift those plants yourself!

Jesse,
that Sunshine Soil Mix (#4 in my case) idea came from John in Kelowna (okanagandesertpalms).
Even last month during John's visit he's always checking my soil mixes, and chastizes me (nicely) when I've done it wrong.
Thanks John! So I bought more #4 and everything...yes everything...is going into that.
Yes, John, I'm repotting the two Brahea armata next 😆 😆

Off to poison some more scale... 😈 😈
But seriously folks, where I had planted a garlic bulb or two, there was NO SCALE at all this summer.
Even the ants (that "farm" the scale) stayed away.

Cheers to everybody on the first day of Fall.
Barb

Off to poison some more scale... 😈 😈
But seriously folks, where I had planted a garlic bulb or two, there was NO SCALE at all this summer.
Even the ants (that "farm" the scale) stayed away. Barb

Barb, I learn something about a coffee ground, right? I have been having a lemon tree for many years covered with the tons of scales on it. Once I started applying the coffee ground (I was very skeptic on this one) on a top of the soil. Now, my lemon tree has no scales! It's a miracle!

Off to poison some more scale... 😈 😈
But seriously folks, where I had planted a garlic bulb or two, there was NO SCALE at all this summer.
Even the ants (that "farm" the scale) stayed away. Barb

Barb, I learn something about a coffee ground, right? I have been having a lemon tree for many years covered with the tons of scales on it. Once I started applying the coffee ground (I was very skeptic on this one) on a top of the soil. Now, my lemon tree has no scales! It's a miracle!

LOL galic has been grown as a deturant for pests for a long time. Its recommended to be grown underneath roses to keep aphids away. It worked well In my garden but never thought to try it indoors (ive placed it around the plant but never planted it in the same pot. You can use chives or any other alium. Garlic is just cheaper, and stinkier, and IMO better all around.

Ive never heard of using coffee grounds as pest control. I know it has minor acidifying affects in soil, and also helps iron intake, but ive never heard it being used as you mentioned. You ever find the reasoning behind it?

Ive never heard of using coffee grounds as pest control. I know it has minor acidifying affects in soil, and also helps iron intake, but ive never heard it being used as you mentioned. You ever find the reasoning behind it?

Jesse, you should remember there was quite intensive discussion on this matter at the PN last winter. I learned it from our honorable Barb... Barb! Please, confirm!

We've discussed coffee grounds quite a bit, but could only find a couple refs on cycads.

I first heard about it through KNNN who sent one of Tom Broome's publications, he had a cycad nursery with many thousands of dollars of stock.
Cycad scale threatened to destroy his livelihood.

http://www.palmsnorth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3689&highlight=coffee+grounds+cycads

http://www.cycad.org/documents/Broome-Coffee-2007.pdf

I've used coffee grounds on cycads and palms, with varying levels of success.
But I've still got scale, likely because ants are "re-farming the eggs" which they had buried.

One thing I don't like about coffee grounds is: applied one inch thick, with time it seems to form an almost impenetrable layer...waterproof in my view, and water runs down the sides of the pot instead of leaching into the entire soil.

The potential for acidifying the soil is OK, as my soil mix is mostly limestone with some peat.
I'm sure a small drop in pH (if it occurs), isn't a big deal.

Igor, I'm so glad it worked for your lemon tree.
I used a thick layer of coffee grounds on my 5-foot grapefruit tree.
Hasn't worked for me. I've still got ants crawling all over the leaves, which have a sticky substance on them.
So it's getting a double dose of Dimethoate 480, and then I'll plant some garlic bulbs in it too.

I'm NOT taking those scale buggers indoors this winter!

If I find the other coffee grounds/scale publication from Tom Broome, will post it separately for easy reference later on.

Barb

Oh for heaven's sake 😯 😯 😯 I'm an idiot!
That second link, "cycad" immediately above, WAS Tom Broome's document.

(of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most) 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😆
Barb

Igor, I'm so glad it worked for your lemon tree.
I used a thick layer of coffee grounds on my 5-foot grapefruit tree.
Hasn't worked for me. Barb

I'm telling you it works. I'm so lazy for trying any other stuff. More details in a few winter month...

Although I don't have much experiance with root pruning on plams, I have used it on other plants if I want to keep them confined to a small pot. Many of these go dormant and or are succulent so they don't get stressed out. I would not do it more than once per year and when I do do it I just cut off the bottom few inches doing a clean cut. I use a large knife/machete then go back over with my hand pruners to clean up any bad cuts. I then can add new soil to the bottom. I will usually remove some of the top of the plant to compensate for the root trama. I would not do this in the fall in a cold climate. I know that large P. Canarienssis are reloacted so this might be a viable option, but I would only try this as a last resort or after trying it out on a smaller less valuable P. canariensis.