He also said that there is a special place in hell for these people

What people was he talking about, people that use natural? Or the people that have natural gas shares, like so many in this country with retirements? 😕

The kind of people who place a higher value on material items then they do on human life.

He also said that there is a special place in hell for these people

What people was he talking about, people that use natural? Or the people that have natural gas shares, like so many in this country with retirements? 😕

The kind of people who place a higher value on material items then they do on human life.

or the environment, which pretty much means human life, and that which sustains it.......

What people was he talking about, people that use natural? Or the people that have natural gas shares, like so many in this country with retirements? 😕

The kind of people who place a higher value on material items then they do on human life.

or the environment, which pretty much means human life, and that which sustains it.......

Same thing

I apparently missed some of this thread.....

You should have seen the S--- show here over wind turbines. The city wanted to put them on the flat topped mesa that surround the city, which so happens to be the best realty in town, best views, and houses a whole host of animal species like hawks, eagles and falcons. People flipped out and wanted it moved. The city went ahead with it anyways, and it turns out, that the people resisting the wind farm, actually won. The only problem is, now the company sued the city and won a 300 million dollar lawsuit.

The real problem with turbines, is the municipality's lack of public inquiry (or listening too), and a public misunderstanding of the politics involved.

The kind of people who place a higher value on material items then they do on human life.

The sad thing is without prosperity, people will also starve and live in very horrid conditions. No one wants to see pollution, drilling, wild lands developed for farming etc, but with over 6 billion people on this earth we can't just go back to the stone ages.

Who realy puts the price/value on material things? Well it is the consumer, we all buy crap we don't need, burn gas we don't have too, fly to far places just to rest. Buy vegetables we could grow in our own back yards. Live in homes that are much bigger than is realy needed for survival, by the way our homes are some of the biggest comsumers of our resources.
This is not all bad, I don't see people fighting to head for comunist countries where most people have very little, besides it that realy better. 😐
So easy to point fingers, rather than stop using our much loved material things. Saving the planted starts at home, not at our neighbors. 🙂

Aaron,
Couldn't agree more...

I know people who would be LOST if they couldn't buy paper towels. .
Whatever happened to cutting up old sheets and having a "rag box".
Prosperity...if that's what it's called.

My elderly Mom calls it laziness and waste.

Barb

And after the horrendous event in Connecticut yesterday, I'd trade prosperity for only PEACE.

And after the horrendous event in Connecticut yesterday, I'd trade prosperity for only PEACE.

Yes, that was such a horrid event. 😥

In some ways peace is prosperity. I think when people have prosperity, a purpose in life, the stride of achievment, a dream/future, they are less likely to do such things.
Herd people around like cattle, take thier freedom away and show them a life of guilt and control, soon life feels bleak and dispair will soon overrun all.

Places where the people do better finacially, it has been shown that they have less children, less crime, more parks, cleaner enviroments. I don't care how many childern people have, but I put that in there too show that thery are less likely too over populate the world. 😐

That does not mean everyone needs to be rich too achieve this goal, all the have to do is stide for a goal in life, family, work community. 😉

Meaningful employment (not minimum wage) creates well-being that you can feed your family and pay your bills.
If there's a bit of money left over at the end of the month, that's good.
But many folks have month left over.
That's a downward spiral that never stops.

A strong family unit is paramount too...decency, respect and dignity are learned by youngsters from their parents and grandparents.
That is, IF they learned it from their elders.

And because it feels so darn good to help others, volunteer and help wherever you can.
I love the "pay it forward" concept, despite it being a bit cheesy when it's discussed in the media.

As to number of children, agree with you entirely!
We had only one and I cannot imagine what it's like to have 5 or 6 kids. 😯
I should probably omit this, but H has a theory (tongue-in-cheek): "there's nothing else to do in poverty-stricken countries". :laughing7:

Education, education, education helps people to care for themselves.
And that doesn't mean everyone has to go to university.
But simply to cultivate an ability to learn...about anything, so people can be their own resource.

I've never liked the idea of asking anything of government.
There's too high a price for receiving it...loss of freedom comes to mind.

Barb

I've never liked the idea of asking anything of government.
There's too high a price for receiving it...loss of freedom comes to mind.

Barb

You write so very well. 😀

Being "rich", shouldnt be having a gazillion dollars, 12 cars and 6 kids, it should be doing having a clear life goal in mind, and being allowed/able to do so. That could be living in a box in the woods for all I care. To each his own 😀

having a clear life goal in mind, and being allowed/able to do so. That could be living in a box in the woods for all I care. To each his own 😀

That is how I feel, does not matter the goal, just as long as they have the freedom/guidance to achieve it.

I work with many troubled youth, and I always ask them what thier dreams are, most have given up on the "dream". I try and encourage them to build a savings fund, money fund, stocks or whatever I can do to help. There is so much they can do when they are young that can help them so much in the future.
When I was younger, say grade school/jr high, An older man taught me about business and investing, many years of saving and it is starting show. It helps when someone belives in you. 😀

Exactly Jesse!

When I was younger, say grade school/jr high, an older man taught me about business and investing

And there is the crux of the matter... training! Someone taking the time/trouble to teach the next generation in addition to your parents.

Kids seem to want stuff NOW...probably because technology is changing so quickly, but that isn't the stuff they should be striving for anyway.
They don't look beyond today because they can't imagine working at a menial job (in most cases) and "achieving" what their parents were able to achieve in 40 years.
Also doesn't help that the media reports their generation will be the first NOT EXPECTED to "do as well" in their lifetimes as their parents.

I must be the only person in North America who doesn't have a cellphone.
Neither does H.
Don't need/want one.
Yet every teenager I see has a cellphone in their hand...what that must cost each month/year!

Good for you, Aaron; it must be a real challenge sometimes to work with troubled kids.
Takes special dedication; doubt I could do that, even with sufficient training.

Barb

In my personal observations of people, most parents give just to make the kids happy, and dont seem to build a structure. They have so much excess, and so little time to spend with kids, that most kids seem to learn from each other, culture/subcultures and media. Its a combination of too much crap and parents working so much they cant/dont/wont spend time teaching kids.

Also Barb, I just got a cell phone the other month, so I went most of my life without one. So untill November, there were 3 of us that didnt have phones 😀

The kind of people who place a higher value on material items then they do on human life.

The sad thing is without prosperity, people will also starve and live in very horrid conditions. No one wants to see pollution, drilling, wild lands developed for farming etc, but with over 6 billion people on this earth we can't just go back to the stone ages.

Who realy puts the price/value on material things? Well it is the consumer, we all buy crap we don't need, burn gas we don't have too, fly to far places just to rest. Buy vegetables we could grow in our own back yards. Live in homes that are much bigger than is realy needed for survival, by the way our homes are some of the biggest comsumers of our resources.
This is not all bad, I don't see people fighting to head for comunist countries where most people have very little, besides it that realy better. 😐
So easy to point fingers, rather than stop using our much loved material things. Saving the planted starts at home, not at our neighbors. 🙂

Part of the problem is,this is a very simple statement-

"The kind of people who place a higher value on material items then they do on human life."

and yet it can be perverted to mean something else.