what to say after all this excelent explanation, great pics and everything. not even years of research could compare to this exquisitely finding you share with all of us. :notworthy: :thumbright:
p.s. today i planted seeds you've sent. tomorrow i'll take them out and do the "de-lidding" technique. now i know on each specie where to cut. thanks once again!! regards

I was thinking, probably a stupid question but..................

Is de-lidding, just a form of scarification, except there is a spacific spot to scarify? If so, is there a specific spot to scarify canna seeds?

**** if you type in "delidding seeds" in yahoo, barbs post comes up first thing ( about the foxtails i think) LOL

Thanks Damir! Please try to post some pics when you de-lid your seeds!

Canadianplant, that's it! I don't know why this hasn't really become a popular method sooner, because people have known about seed scarification for many years! When I scarified the canna seeds I just chose one end, it didn't really seem to matter.

For an update on the Hayes Stiffie seeds, around 25 more have germinated since last night when I put them in warm water.

Without looking it up in the dictionary, I thought scarification meant exposing seeds to a winter environment for even brief period of time that allows the "dormancy" then to be broken as it warms up, i.e. seeds of pine, fir, cedar and such.

Barb

thats STRATification..... to many "ications" in botany I think LOL

Cameron... wow....... Im going to have to try this on some I think. 😈

You're right Jesse, I was thinking of stratification.

I took a few hours this evening and de-lidded the Nannorrhops seeds. They're soaking now:

They took longer to sand, because I really had to search for the embryo location on each one 🙄

Canadianplant, here's the website I went by for the canna:

http://www.cooltropicalplants.com/growing-canna-from-seed.html

I didn't bother using nail clippers, I just used sandpaper until I saw a bit of white.

Cameron, I've virtually scalped my two remaining Nannorhops ritchiana seeds looking for the embryo "door".

I found a dot, but it hasn't moved in two days...do you have a close-up of one?

Barb

Barb, right now my BB wouldn't be able to get a close up shot. I'll try to explain it:

On one end there is a visible black-ish dot near the bottom. The embryo is on the opposite end. There is usually a small circle or slight bump (not directly at the top, but near it). It's very hard to see, probably like 1 mm wide. I only found it maybe 3/4 of the time. Also, the embryo is usually close to the surface of the seed.

I'll try to take a closer shot in the morning.

Ah thanks Cameron, since my comp died at christmas, i lost alot of links, that one included.

Sry to bug you about it again, but, some of the seeds arent nice and round, they are wrinkled ( came out of the plant like this). Are these immature seeds?

here are some pics of de-lidding seeds

needle palm

nannorrhops ritchiana kashmir

sabal mccurtain

and a try to do the same with musa sikkimensis 😀 this is the best i did. hard as rock

and here, few weeks ago, with regular sabal minor. after de-lidding it came out in 2 days in water

here is pic of germinated seed of agave palmeri, i got from desert zone. thanks once again. to desert zone and cameron!!