Well Steve , the narrow leaf zamia from the West coast doesn't grow as far North as the East coast wide leaf zamia,
as far as the wild populations are located geograpically (by a significant number of miles). And also, you spoke as if it were a smaller zamia (in size), but of course it is not, only having leaves that are more narrow. In fact, I have noted down through the years, that the narrow leafed zamia produces more individual leaves in a flush than the wider leaf plants. Also, it has more recurve
than the wider variety.The West coast narrow leaf zamia grows most often in a marly soil with a lot of oyster shell, where as the East coast wide leaf variety grow in mostly sandy soil of the Alantic ocean as the tubers grow very deep. But Steve, don't forget , there are four other varieties of zamia in other locations around the state that actually are different in little subtle ways also. As
far as one in particular being "more cold tolerent", I can't really say for sure. I personally think they are all about the same. Bob

Bob,
I appreciate you taking the time to explain that, also the cultural info!
( The only ones I've ever seen in person are the ones in my green house, so my knowledge is somewhat limited 😀

Steve

Mr. Chumnley, I just spoke to the wife and the other couple that we are going with in July and all seem to be OK with me (us) visiting you around that time. Can't wait to meet you!

There has been some talk lately that the smaller leaf Z.floridanas might be more cold tolerant than the wider leaf versions?
Have you noted any differences ?

Steve, I have personally visited over 30 populations of coontie throughout Florida. I have not grown plants from all of these populations, and living in Miami does not, of course, provide me with much first-hand experience with respect to cold hardiness. But my guess would be that the plants that grow the furthest north would be most likely to have the best tolerance of cold temperatures. The northernmost population of coontie that I am aware of occurs in Fort Clinch State Park just outside Jacksonville, FL. The plants there have leaflets of intermediate width and are quite attractive (see photo below).

Hope this helps.
Jody

Speaking of coontie, I thought you all might like to see a photo of a decent-sized Palatka Giant plant (they do get larger than this!) in someone's yard near Palatka, FL.

Jody

Jody,
That does help, and thanks for the photos!

There seems to be a native population listed in S.E. Georgia, I would imagine these are similar to what is found near Jacksonville, FL. ?

http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=Georgia&statefips=13&symbol=ZAPUP

So far, the ones outside here seem to be holding their own, ( in a small structure), I'm keeping my fingers crossed 😀

Steve

There seems to be a native population listed in S.E. Georgia

I also found that reference when I was preparing my Florida coontie "expedition" a few years ago. I spent months trying to track down the locality of those plants. I even contacted the head biologist for all the state parks in Georgia, as well as a local biologist at the Crooked River State Park in SE Georgia (located within a few miles of the Fort Clinch State Park on the Florida side)... all to no avail. Those guys had never seen a coontie anywhere in Georgia, and they had both been biologists with the state for decades. I don't know if the "Georgia coontie" is a myth, if there used to be populations there that are now gone, or if there still are small, isolated populations in that state. If anyone has any reputable information on this, I would greatly appreciate receiving it.

Jody

I know a guy that is growing them in the ground in KANSAS!! 😆
Steve, keep up the good work. I myself would like to try this come Mid March, but I dont have any that I can experiment with. I don't want to try it with seedlings as I think a sappling would be better and I don't have any of that size 😥
Every day that goes by is one step closer to warmer temps and my Revoluta is still holding on in the enclosure. But I would LOVE to try a Palatka Giant in the ground this Spring.

Still moving along,

With the green house lows in the 50*'s, I'm surprised to see growth so early in the season.

This one is starting to do something, ( hoping to see a cone 8)

Steve

GREAT job Steve. I don't have any Cycads starting to flush except my large Taitungensis which I THOUGHT might be dead. Here is the HORRIBLE thing about it thou. It had a BIG starter leaf, I took it out to take a pic, and when I moved it back, my fat, dumb, idiotic, blubbering a$$, elbow hit the leaf breaking it off along with the tip of another. So now I am left with this...

Wes,
I've done plenty of the same things ( especially during the Winter months with things being crowded 😀
As soon as the weather warms a bit, yours will be pushing out new fronds like nothing happened!

Steve

Any guess on age for that Palatka Giant in Jody's pic?
What a shame these coonties aren't retained as urban/rural sprawl continues.
You'd think people would flag valuable specimens so they could remain as mature plants in new landscapes.

Wes, I can sympathize...my Dioon Spinulosum's got a few bends and breaks from my moving it, and as you know they don't ever heal. But that huge caudex will explode with leaves soon.

Steve, wow, really moving along 😯
Presume you've turned the heating off now? versus the previous 80*F?
Barb

Any guess on age for that Palatka Giant in Jody's pic?
What a shame these coonties aren't retained as urban/rural sprawl continues.
You'd think people would flag valuable specimens so they could remain as mature plants in new landscapes.

I would guess that plant is around 100 years old. The area where these occur is fairly rural, and Palatka itself is a small town. Lots of the large plants have been preserved. In fact, many are seen growing in cemeteries (see below).

Jody

Jody, do you have any more pics of Palatka? I just love that part of Florida. I was recently offered a job in Belleview where I would be the supervisor for three counties around there. Not sure if Palatka was one of the towns I would be over, but I LOVE that part of Florida. Sadly, the wife blew a gasket when she found out I even put in for the job so I am not moving 😥
But my ideal living is swamp area with Spanish Moss in every tree. I know the road called "Tunnel of Love" down there is wonderful as I have seen short films on it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcRgTG5y_o

Jody, thanks for that super pic
...and what a testimonial for cycads generally as understory plants.
They retain such a clean look.
100 years ... 😯

Cool video. Wish the driver had slowed down so trees could be seen more clearly.

Vancouver BC folks will want to meet-or-beat that video with the world-famous drive through Stanley Park.
Ancient vine maples, growing densely on both sides of the narrow road, meet in the center overhead.
It's magical.

Wes, sounds like it was tough to turn down that job. 😥
Barb