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Trachys(wagnerianus,fortunei,nainital) and Butia are probably the most cold hardy trunking palms,both would need protection during extreme cold.
Needle palms and certain Sabals("clumping"some sabals grow a"trunk" in time )needles MAY be more hardy in time but you can't beat sabals for bomb proof reliability,especially in your area,S.louisisana, S.brazoria,S.birminghamn are great ones to try and grow reasonably fast for sabals.

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Sabal Minor is your best bet. For me, Needles die in the first Winter. I have planted both Needles and Minors in Topeka Kansas and the Needle died the first Winter, the Minor is still going three years later. I think Wichita Ks. might be in your
zone, and there are Minors (Birmingham) in Wichita that are HUGE at a church. He doesn't protect them at all except for having them on a South faceing wall.

Needle palms if protected the first few years are very hardy!
I really think Sabals have a better survival rate because they are not as prone to spear pull,S.louisisana,birminghamn,brazoria all grow fast for Sabals,especially Louisisana,my Birminghamn and Brazoria will probably rival their growth speed in time,(they are to small to compare to Louisisana right now)My Louisiana put out 2 leaves Aug-Sept after just being planted in August!pretty impressive for a Sabal and not bad at all for any palm-

ALL THE INFO IS REALLY APPRECIATED .I WANT TO PLANT LARGE TREES ,AT LEAST 8 TO 10 FEET TALL PROBABLY WILL GET THEM FROM TEXAS WHICH OF THE ONES MENTIONED WOULD BE BEST SUITED CONSIDERING THE SIZE? ALSO PLANTING CLOSE TO MY POOL ARE THESE OKAY WITH LOTS OF WATER

None of the Sabals mentioned(or hystrix) that I recall will grow that tall,there are some Sabals that are trunking,Trachycarpus is your best bet and would probably survive there with protection during severe arctic outbreaks and probably would anyway?

welcome to the site, cometmtrs.

All palms need superb drainage.
Trachycarpus hates windy, extreme heat sites.
In our hot desert area, they're more suited for only morning sun.

Even though Trachycarpus like water, they (and other palms) need very good drainage.
Not suited to wet boggy sites.

I don't think ANY palms will tolerate chlorine splashes from pool-play. 😐

Maybe take you camera along when you're shopping?
Barb

THANKS FOR THE INFO I LIVE IN A RIVER VALLY WE HAVE GREAT SOIL AND DRAINAGE BUT WHEN IT RAINS THE POOL WILL OVERFLOW AND THE LOWER GROUND MAY STAY WET FOR SEVERAL DAYS ,LOST A BEAUTIFUL CEDAR THAT WAY . DO YOU THINK THE WINDMILL WILL DO WELL AND THE BIRMINGHAM CAN THEY TAKE THE 100 DEGREE HEAT WE HAVE HERE ?ALSO I HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM ,USUALLY WATERS 2 TIMES DAILEY 15 MIN EACH TIME IS THAT OK

U.S. hardiness zone map here:
http://www.thegardenhelper.com/map/ushzmap.html

Since you want trunking palms, the Needle palm (which clumps, never forming a trunk), will probably not suit you.

Any soil conditions that kill a cedar (which love moisture/humidity and hate hot dry winds) will also kill out-of-zone plants (palms). Optimum growing conditions will help a palm if winter temps don't kill it.

Research your area's winter low temps. You'll likely need to protect your palm(s) for winter with temporary cages (either leaf filled with supplemental heat, or 6ml plastic-covered wood-framed enclosure, all with supplemental heat such as C-9 lights or ceramic heat for very cold nights).

I've got a pool too, and any rain event that overflows the pool should be prevented by backwashing your filter to lower the level prior to a huge rainfall (or lower the level on "Waste" setting). Chlorinated pool water is death for all plants. You'll never be able to grow anything where the backwash line empties pool water onto your property.

I know from experience that big coniferous trees and leaves from deciduous trees near your pool create a mess, necessitating hours of work cleaning screens. Windstorms deposit all that stuff in the pool. I blew a pool pump that way.

After 30 years of pool "experience", the only low-maintenance trees I would place around a pool deck are--yup--you guessed it--plastic plants. But they're ugly.

A viable alternative is to keep palms in containers, easily moved to your pool deck for summer enjoyment, which can be moved into a garage or basement or foyer before the onset of winter.

While we Palms North people are "all about" pushing zones and growing palms outside, it's an expensive and disappointing hobby if you miss a step in winter protection or plant your palm in anything less than ideal soil conditions.

Trying to save you some grief and dollars (big palms cost mega bucks). 😉
Barb

Right on Barb,I forgot to mention about the pool water-

THE POOL OVERFLOW WOULD BE ON THE LOWER GROUND WHERE I PLAN TO PLANT WILL BE MORE ELEVATED .AS FOR THE CHLORINE IVE ALSO HAD POOLS FOR 30 YRS OR SO AND HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT HARMING MY PLANTS .I THINK THE CEDAR BEING ON THE LOWER LEVEL WAS BEING KEPT CONSTANTLY MOIST FROM SPLASHING AND OVERFLOW . BACK TO THE PALMS THERE IS A GENTLEMAN IN THE TULSA AREA WITH SEVERAL LARGE PALMS THERE ARE HALF A DOZEN THAT ARE LARGE MAYBE BIRMINGHAM AND NOT PROTECTED AT ALL ,SEEM TO BE DOING FINE ,HE ALSO HAS SEVERAL LARGE TREES WRAPPED IN INSULATION ,IVE TRIED TO CONTACT HIM BUT HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO CATCH HIM AT HOME DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS?IF NOY IF I TAKE SOME PICS OF THESE CAN YOU HELP ME IDETIFY THEM THANKS

TULSA AREA WITH SEVERAL LARGE PALMS THERE ARE HALF A DOZEN THAT ARE LARGE MAYBE BIRMINGHAM AND NOT PROTECTED AT ALL ,SEEM TO BE DOING FINE ,HE ALSO HAS SEVERAL LARGE TREES WRAPPED IN INSULATION

That's good news.

There are lots of people here who can ID your pictures.
Looking forward to seeing them.
Barb

THANKS FOR THE INFO I LIVE IN A RIVER VALLY WE HAVE GREAT SOIL AND DRAINAGE BUT WHEN IT RAINS THE POOL WILL OVERFLOW AND THE LOWER GROUND MAY STAY WET FOR SEVERAL DAYS ,LOST A BEAUTIFUL CEDAR THAT WAY . DO YOU THINK THE WINDMILL WILL DO WELL AND THE BIRMINGHAM CAN THEY TAKE THE 100 DEGREE HEAT WE HAVE HERE ?ALSO I HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM ,USUALLY WATERS 2 TIMES DAILEY 15 MIN EACH TIME IS THAT OK

I am in South Tulsa near the Arkansas River.
I have a windmill that I bought from Southwoods Garden Center about 3 years ago. It was about 12 inches high when bought and now about 5ft at top of crown.
Just planted a 7ft next to it last august and it is doing fine.
Ordered the largest they could ship and the bushiest 9ft crown.
It was close to 500 pounds in that pot and I had some problems at first just getting it to my home because the huge semi could not get through the property entrance so I hired a smaller truck to pick it up from the larger trucking company.
Planted it by myself as well.....took off 2 days from work to do this.

Right now it is covered with one of those Plankets. And it was not affected by the ice storm the other day.
Only just covered it 3 weeks ago. Should have gave it some sun today since it was close to 70 degrees.

They are on the east side of my home and fully protected from the winds but less protection from winds coming out of the south.

My palms love this clay based river soil.