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wxman
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I opened up one of my uninsulated palm enclosures tonight to see how my experiment is going. Each of these windmill palms have just a 100 bulb string of mini lights wrapped around it on a 35/45 thermocube. The enclosure is double poly with an air gap in between. Minimum temperature in my yard so far this year has been 0.0F with one day not getting above 10F. It's been basically below freezing since I enclosed these palms just before Thanksgiving. The inside of the enclosure falls below freezing every night, usually to between 20-25F, although it was in the teens on the 0F night. During the day it rises to between 35-70F depending on if it's sunny or cloudy.

Some pics.

Little discoloration on the older frond tips, although some of that was there before I enclosed the palm. Newer fronds and spear still nearly totally green. Ground inside is slightly moist and not frozen anywhere. About two more months to go until protection is removed. I think windmill palms are bulletproof providing they get above freezing during the day and kept dry.

Here's a pic of what they look like during the day.

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Posted : 24/12/2010 8:48 pm
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Wow, very cool Wxman! Way to go.
Rob

 
Posted : 24/12/2010 11:01 pm
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Thanks for sharing, and keep us updated. --Erik

 
Posted : 24/12/2010 11:08 pm
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Since only about half of the 100 bulbs are showing around fronds, the rest are laying on the ground (warming around drip zone to keep soil from freezing?)
Good result so far with your temps.

Oh...that P. sylvestris :sad2:

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Posted : 25/12/2010 12:25 am
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Since only about half of the 100 bulbs are showing around fronds, the rest are laying on the ground (warming around drip zone to keep soil from freezing?)
Good result so far with your temps.

Oh...that P. sylvestris :sad2:

Half are around the fronds and half are around the trunk. None are on the ground, I don't want to cook the feeder roots. Soil remains unfrozen from solar insolation. I could take out the lights and the soil would remain unfrozen in those boxes. Soil needs to be 32F to freeze, if the enclosure is 70 during the day and 0 at night, the mean temp is 35F which yields unfrozen soil. 🙂 If only trachys could deal with 0.

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Posted : 25/12/2010 12:44 am
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After seeing your pics Tim it got me thinking what mine might be looking like inside. So I thought I would unwrap a bit to see. This is what I saw.



Looking good to me! Nice and warm when I opened the top...
Here's the big palm hut..





I'm glad to see your's are doing well and looking healthy!!! Only like another 85 days till Spring!!
Merry Christmas...

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Posted : 25/12/2010 10:10 am
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Looking good, Scotty! Are you using heat on that first enclosure, or is it plastic only? I'm sure they will all pull through just fine for you too. Merry Christmas!

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Posted : 25/12/2010 8:06 pm
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Using the same method as you with the first.. 35/45 thermo cube. The only difference is that I am using a regular string of 25 c-9 lights instead of the mini lights.. A couple of my other enclosures are not heated. I haven't looked at them..

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Posted : 25/12/2010 8:17 pm
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Guys, what is the reason for covering palms with extra heat? Many palms will be able to survive without any extra heat under styrofoam boxes like it is doing my palms.

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Posted : 26/12/2010 11:50 am
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I am trying a couple of Trachy's without heat. The reason I use heat is so they don't completely loose all their fronds and look like crap until June/July. This way they come out looking mint. Also I really don't know if one could survive well in my climate without heat protection. It stays below freezing too often in the winter.. But we'll see how the unheated ones do. Glad to see it's working for you.

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Posted : 26/12/2010 12:20 pm
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Same here as Scotty. I don't want a defoliated palm until July 4th, or one that is half burnt--especially seeing as they are in my front yard. Heat is cheap for what it provides the palm. I also am trying a few unheated to see what happens, but I am expecting total defoliation or death.

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Posted : 26/12/2010 12:51 pm
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Wow, they look so good.

Got my hydro bill, seems to be about ~$25.00 more than last one.
Temps have been more or less the same throughout.
Cheap, as Tim says, for what it gives us in protection and a nice looking palm come spring.

Thanks for the sneak peek inside the enclosures, guys.
Barb

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Posted : 26/12/2010 1:32 pm
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Looking very good. They seem quite happy inside those enclosures.

Reminder to everyone that Christmas lights are now heavily discounted. Stock up now.

 
Posted : 26/12/2010 9:34 pm
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Christmas lights are now heavily discounted. Stock up now

Went to town just for that reason today.
Wanted clear LED lights as daughter is getting married here in September.

Only the colored Christmas lights were on sale at $39.00 for 100 foot string of C-7. 25.92 W total 👿 👿

Ended up paying $69.00 for each of two -100 foot strings of clear.

Would'a been cheaper to drive to the USA... 😕
Barb

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Posted : 26/12/2010 9:46 pm
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I bought a line of white C-9s for future use with my Butia. I prefer colored lights for Christmas, but white is better for eccentric hobbies. 😉

 
Posted : 27/12/2010 3:20 pm
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