Gary,can you detail a little bit the temp and precip range of wisan and tesan during winter? I think you said tesan is by far the most cold hardy?what extremes of tempeture does tesan see during a cold winter(maximum lows)

Welcome aboard, Garry.
Where does this grow?

Truly a beautiful leaf form.
You say it's not so commonly seen as fortunei.
I've never seen it at any nurseries; only in internet pics.

Once this gets into the trade, it'll sell like pancakes.
Barb

I have three with rounded leaves. They are prone to wind damage so need extra protection as I have found out, here in the UK. Trachycarpus are very variable in appearance. Probably more common in the UK i guess

We'd love to see pics of your palms (and winter protection). 😀

That was quite the snowfall in the UK!
News stories here featured people on skis slogging along sidestreets to get to work 😯

Barb

Beautiful sight to see the landscape of England(London)covered in snow,there are some great pics on EPS site of members palms/cactus covered in up to a foot of snow! We have really had a break in the steady winter weather here in Iowa with temps in the 50s and mid 60s with thunderstorms before we head back to normal temps end of the week.

Jim, I wanted to see those pics you referred to.
Look what I got when I tried to register to EPS (never been there before)
"not accepting new members" 😐

http://www.palmsociety.org/join/english1.shtml

Barb

Barb,try typing in European palm society on your address bar and going into the site, even if they are not accepting new members(not sure whats up with that!)you should be able to access their forum and check out the posts,let me know-JIM

That site has changed you need to register here http://www.palmsociety.org.uk/ . also www.hardytropicals.co.uk too. I wonder if i can get commission? They have lost users in the process of changing over to new server. Say Mo sent you :D. for uk galleries go here...and register then view the galleries.. the link to register is here http://www.growingontheedge.net/ and the gallery is here http://www.pbase.com/edgegallery/cool_temp_memb

thanks for those new links. Jim, that's the URL I used when I got the message...

Why on earth would anyone have to register just to view their photo gallery.
Visitor Count... 👿

There are several sites I read now and then, and I've never registered.

Barb

BTW, Mo, thanks! Used your link (which got me into the gallery) without registering.

Thanks for the link Mo.

Beautiful pictures.

Allen

If I understand the original statements regarding the circular leaf form, this is an example of one growing in my garden.
These will grow randomly like this, as leaf form is quite variable even from seeds from the same tree.
Giving these palms a cultivar name ('Winsan') is a bit like changing the surname of your children. You can do it, but it won't change their genetics.

Cheers, Barrie.

Good analogy.

So,what are their genetics? This is the question nobody seems to be able to answer,this trait came from somewhere,I don't think fortunei just did this on it own,like o.k.I think I'll be a different palm this time!
Fortunei seems to pick up traits from what ever it grows around as far as other Trachycarpus go,if your kid suddenly grew a round head and his face changed shape,you both might want to change your name,I suggest you stick with something to keep it in the family......how about Myson!LOL
B.T.W.Barrie that is a beautiful son...ahh,I mean palm you have there,very healthy!

So,what are their genetics? This is the question nobody seems to be able to answer,this trait came from somewhere,I don't think fortunei just did this on it own,like o.k.I think I'll be a different palm this time!
Fortunei seems to pick up traits from what ever it grows around as far as other Trachycarpus go,if your kid suddenly grew a round head and his face changed shape,you both might want to change your name,I suggest you stick with something to keep it in the family......how about Myson!LOL
B.T.W.Barrie that is a beautiful son...ahh,I mean palm you have there,very healthy!

Trachys are variable in their nature. Simple quantifyable fact as mentioned.. The same trachy may produce seeds that look totally different in their forms.