I think you read to fast because you completely missed my point. What I had said was that the 2 palms in the trachycarpus family that we WILL NOT mistake are t.fortunei and t. wagnerianus for obvious reasons. As for hybrids and mistakes about seeds sometimes we must wait and see how the palms start to look as they get older like my palms. You seem to know alot about takil and that is nice and so are your seedlings, but I know alot about 600 different species of all types of palms. native trees and shrubs with 23 years of experience.. I will visit the site to learn more about takil palm . One is never to old to learn something new . Thanks for the lesson. If you want to know how to grow and enjoy your palms give me a call.
mike Merry Christmas all the best

I know how to enjoy them 😉

Thanks Mike,you have a great yard!

Sorry I missed your point,definitely easy palms to tell apart

Happy holidays to you and yours! :reindeer: :bigsmurf: :headbang: :occasion5:

Hey Mike

Are you planning on doing mail order (in spring)?

or maybe I should ask first if you have any 1 or 2 gallon Butia capitata.

Barb

Happy palming brother Jim.
B Regards to you and yours
mike

Welcome Mike! I have looked through many many of your pics and l am in love with your landscape!! awesome awesome! 8)
I too am growing hardy Hibiscus Rose of Sharon with two varieties; newly planted this year, first winter for them both and can't wait to see them next year!

Looking forward to learning from you and seeing more pics!

Heidi

I must have missed this post before. Mike- Scotty got his large fortunei from you, correct? If I recall the price was quite good. I'd argue with you about your listed USDA zone, but I'm trying to give that up (it seems to piss people off when I look back at weather history for various places, for whatever reason...)!

You've been landscaping for almost as long as I've been alive, fantastic. Looks like you've got the winter protection down to an art. Any idea of the electricity cost? What do you use to heat?

I'm going to agree with Jim that the 'takil' palms you have are certainly T. fortunei (some call them nanital, but I think they are either the same or a hybrid with takil)... In the phylogenetic study they fell out with T. fortunei from various places. It's too complicated to explain here. T. 'wagnerianus' is now a variety of fortunei, just a domesticated dwarf. Still a beautiful palm, just me being a know-it-all.

For the record I garden in USDA 5a near Kingston (Kingston itself is now 5b due to the recent warming). I also am a scientist (biologist) and have worked in many fields, including molecular biology, mitogenomics, phylogenetics, ecology, etc.

Welcome to the board!