HELLO EVERYONE. IN MID-DECEMBER I CONTACTED A US CUSTOMS BROKER AND -AGRICULTURE CANADA AS WELL AS THE USDA. ACCORDING TO
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/manuals/ports/downloads/plants_for_planting.pdf
MOST PALMS ARE NOT ALLOWED FROM CANADA TO THE USA. SO FAR THE NEEDLE PALM SEEMS TO BE OK BUT --TRACHYCARPUS-SABAL-BUTIA-COCOS NUCIFERA AND MANY OTHERS ARE NOT ALLOWED BACK. BECAUSE COLD HARDY PALMS HAVE NEVER BEEN SOLD IN THE USA BEFORE AND THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THE USDA OFFICE -CUSTOMS BROKER AND AGRICULTURE CANADA IS CONFUSED AND ARE LOKKING INTO IT. SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS THE PHYTO. ALL PLANTS COMING IN OR OUT OF CANADA OR THE US --REQUIRE A PHYTO- CERTIFICATE-USUALLY COSTING A $100. MY US CUSTOMS BROKER FOUND AN ACT INSIDE THE USDA MANUAL ALLOWING PLANTS FROM AMERICAN ORIGIN BACK INTO THE US FROM CANADA WITH ORIGINAL US PHYTO COPY---- PROVIDING THE TURN-AROUND IS FAST. THE LAWS SEEM TO CONTRADICT EACH OTHER IN THE MANUAL
US CUSTOMERS -PLEASE BE PATIENT WHILE I GET ANSWERS TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS- I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE US ORDERS UNTIL I KNOW MORE. I DO NOT WANT TO SMEAR MY BUS. REPUTATION FOR A FEW PLANTS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SO CLOSE AND I'D LOVE TO GET THEM TO YOU. IF YOU NEED A PHYTO SMALL PALMS MAY NOT BE WORTH THE EFFORT FOR EITHER PARTY. I JUST WANTED IT TO BE CLEAR I DON'T WANT CONFUSION BECAUSE IT IS MORE OF A HOBBY FOR ME AND MY PRICES SHOW THIS.
I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED.
THANKS
COCONUTMIKE
YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT MIKEJJPAGE@YAHOO.CA
COCONUTMIKE
Hey Scott I used the Canada Postal Service to calculate your package ( 1 gal needle ) to Omaha and it works out to between $25-$35 dollars depending on how fast we send it and $35-45 for the 3 gal needle. I will have to get a pytosanitary cetificate and that will cost $20. -- Us border and USDA tell me you have a $200 exemption and will not pay duties on this item. I would go with the bigger palm 3g-7g if I were you. Let me know
Mike-for all other palms I will send them directly from my supplier to you you will save the border issue and you will even get your palm with My Montreal Palms tag on it and I will see the products before they leave the farms and take care of all the transport, loading and paper work. see pic 1 gal needle and 7 gal needle
mike-call or e-mail me for quote
Mike that`s great news that you are able to ship palms south and the 200.00 exemption on duty. That should be good for your business this spring and summer. Good prices on your palms for sale. I might be looking for some more Needle palms myself. A very rare palm on the west coast.
John
Okanagan Palms and Tropicals
6b-7a
Hey John -so far only the Needle Palm can go into the USA. I do speak regularly to the USDA and Agriculture Canada. In 2009 there was an infestation of insects in many US palms so the banned all palms coming in 2010 and passed a law. After getting many complaints fromBC garden centers and now 1-2 of us here in the east they are looking at laws to change this law. As for your needle palms John I will give you a 5 % discount even if you pass feb 15 by a couple days and I can ship Canada Post for small palms and courrier for large palms. We did organize 7 orders to BC last year.
Cheers
Mike
they banned all palms coming in 2010
Just curious, but was that because of the palmetto weevil?
Doubt that bugger would survive one of our winters, especially this winter in the west!
Glad to see the industry is pressuring government for some sensible laws.
Especially stuff coming from the USA to Canada.
Still don't like the bare-root rule though...too stressful on palms.
Barb
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Hey Barb they had multiple infestations. At least 40 palms mentioned sabal-trachtcarpus butia chamaerops etc.. I spoke to a lady named Heather who seems to be one of the most well-informed people at the USDA. She will be working directly with the Canadian Agriculture department to re-issue a compliance agreement to help our trading . My exact argument, I don't think any of those critters would make it here it was -21C last night I thonk. We also had 100km/h winds the night before. I do not get or send out anything bare-root I always leave a little soil I think BananaJoe is in agreement with me there must safer for the plant during transport and less stress.
Mike I will PM you when I`m ready to order the Needles. Thanks for the info. on palm shipments "interesting".
John
Okanagan Palms and Tropicals
6b-7a
Hello everyone the COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT fell through and will not happen maybe until next year so I am only allowed to send the Needle Palm all other palms can be shipped from one of the us farms I deal with and the price will even be cheaper than my website prices because of the whole border-transport -tax duty thing. Just keeping everyone up to date
mike
Name prices Mike! 🙂
Just so I understand correctly, you're talking about drop shipping direct from the farm in the USA, and avoiding taking it into canada at all? correct?
I'm getting married in April and somewhat focused on other things, but I'm still considering some larger windmills and anything that I could overwinter with protection. tell me what a five foot trunk windmill will run me shipped to 49426 or 49321 (have a loading dock there).
Mike you are very lucky to have that bull Needle palm that size in the first pic. I have ordered six three gal. shipped in pots from a nursery in southern Ont.4 years ago "VERY EXPENSIVE". They originated from somewhere in Fla. I have planted three over the last four years. Each of these have all lost the main spear every winter. I have dug up each of these Needle palms growing in the same enclosure as the T. fortunei that have survived the same temps untouched -17 c. . I replaced them with S. minors and S. louisiana. The Minors haven`t missed a beat through similar cold temps over the last 2 years. I have my last and best 7 gal. Needle palm growing beside my 15 gal W.filifera that is getting extra heating this winter. So far so good -12 c coldest recorded. The R. hystrix pictured is the same you have planted from your nursery? What temps have your Needle palms experienced? Merci beacoup.
John
Okanagan Palms and Tropicals
6b-7a
Hey Wheelman 1976 give me your tel # contact me by e-mail mikejjpage@yahoo.ca I will give you a call with your quote but have a few questions
Hey John. Needle Palms can be quite difficult to start. It usually takes 2-3 years for it to establosh itself. A 15 gal needle palm might look like a 7 gal sometimes after its first winter but once its taken it will be the most reliable palm. What I do is wrap the needle palm with arbotex -white cotton frost cloth- then I use silver bubble wrap insulation and burlap. Cover with flower pot or rose cone.. Also they are very slow to grow so start with a bigger one . I was convinced at one time that sabal minor -waggie-windmill wer tougher but not . Last year the needle palms experienced cold temps of -28.9C with the windchill it was -40C and -40F wind doesn't count though LOL. If you need to try a bigger one contact me -my e-mail is above I will see what I can do on pricing and I will teach you how to keep it looking the same from year to year with a little help. I have some with zero heat and minimal protection and a few with some help.
Cheers
Mike
I will teach you how to keep it looking the same from year to year with a little help. I have some with zero heat and minimal protection and a few with some help.
Mike don't you share tricks with the others 🙄 ?
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Fore sure Igor. Every location is different. It is just too much info to type . B.C has wet winters and temperate summers . Here in Montreal it is very hot in the summer and the palm gathers all this heat to go into the winter so my protection method here would be different to his. But really quickly B.C method would be a dome or box with 1 screw in 23 w energy saver light bulb. 2-3 inch styrofoam best . Elevated bed with amended black soil -sand and gravel. Mulch heavy. Tie up fronds and cover with arbotex so that if palm sweats the cotton will absorb this. The steps and soil will change for every location
Cheers
mike