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Saw a "silver" on sale but looked green to me.

Are there Silver, Green and Blue varieties?

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Posted : 16/07/2013 1:23 pm
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Saw a "silver" on sale but looked green to me.

Are there Silver, Green and Blue varieties?

Yes. 😀

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Posted : 16/07/2013 7:50 pm
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as far as I understand there are only 2 Humilis which is the green form and cerifera which is the silver form. I think there are ALOT of varience though. The Cerifera I have has white powder on new leaves but does look green after awhile with wide leaf segments. I have a humilis that is green with very tiny leaf segments.. I have seen ceriferas from the UK which are the best blue color and white powder. I think in the UK they say there are at last 3 forms for humilis also.Id pick it up i its on sale the one I have grows FAST and I have seen some around here make it through a few single digit winters with out a problem. Throw in the fact there is also the "volcano" version and you have a long debate 😀

 
Posted : 16/07/2013 9:43 pm
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I have a large Green European Fan palm, a small one(1 gallon pot) and a small Blue one from Jungle Music, just never heard of the Silver. I did notice that the fronds seemed to look different. I probably will stop back and pick it up but will take my truck this time as it would have been tough to get it in the car. PLUS, everything was 50% off including some nice tall single and multipal trunk Christmas palms and single trunk Pygmy Dates.($50 each. Christmas palms 8-10ft high)

Here are some pics, but took with my phone so not the very best.

Silver European Fan Palm for $25

Christmas Palms

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Posted : 16/07/2013 10:12 pm
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I'll takpics of both mine later today and post them up.

 
Posted : 17/07/2013 8:13 am
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There may actually be quite a few,depending on your definition..

C.Cerifera
C.Humilis
C.Volcano
C.Arborescens
C.Piangente
C.Microcarpa
C.Macrocarpa
C.Naples

These are the ones I recall off the top of my head...
there is another said blue form but the name escapes me....

found it Chamaerops Humilis var. Argentea

Heres a thread with some habitat pics...

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/29448-cabo-de-gata-almeria/

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Posted : 17/07/2013 7:43 pm
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here are my to..the cerifera with the wie leaflets and white undersides..and the green form with narrow leaflets. you can see to the left in the second pic the leaflets of the cerifera sticking out and how different they are

 
Posted : 17/07/2013 7:53 pm
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Great link and pics! Thanks.

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Posted : 18/07/2013 6:31 am
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There's something like 40-50 varieties that have been named.
Here's mine:

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The top two are regular green form, one has a stubbier trunk and bushier crown, the other is skinny trunked, sparse crown, and 360* leaflets. It had some winter damage but quickly recovered. The last is my cerifera. It's almost white.

I believe "cerifera" is a synonym of "argentea". "Argentea" is the true botanical name but it's not used for whatever reason. Scott, it's hard to tell from the pic, but it looks like the palm is green to me. It's a good looking palm either way. Mike, I don't think yours is a cerifera, either. The silver/blue/white coloring comes from a waxy substance on the fronds. It doesn't come off, in my experience, unless something rubs it off. Water won't wash it off, either. I've said before, Chamaerops is a very hardy and very underused palm - some made it thru -9F under snow cover here.

 
Posted : 18/07/2013 3:38 pm
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The color was definitely green, but the fronds look different from the ones I have at home......Thinner I would say. The tag Silver European Fan Palm was the growers, not the nurseries.

If it is a Silver, didn't know what the difference was between that and other varieties that we usually see.

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Posted : 18/07/2013 4:16 pm
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The silver/blue color is hard to capture on film. In person it's striking. I'm sure you've heard the expression: "You'd know it if you saw it." That's how the cerifera/argentea is. You'll know without a doubt. I bet it was mislabeled, and just a green variant that you saw. I love glaucous plants. Brahea armata and Bismarckia nobilis are a couple of favorites of mine, too bad they just aren't hardy enough for here.

 
Posted : 18/07/2013 5:02 pm
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My plan is to take my truck and stop back there. I really want to get one of the tall Christmas palms they have marked down to $50.

I really don't have a place for the ?silver European Fan palm, yet at $25 hate to pass it up either!

My wife has thrown her hands up on all the palms I've bought this past year lol

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Posted : 18/07/2013 5:07 pm
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the one I have was labeled silver as well..blue pot..same growers so if there not silvers then its the growers fault def. I have seen some ceriferas that are so blue they don't look real, which I would love to have 😀 ..guess I will wait and see what mine looks like in a few years. even if there both green they have very differant traits so I will keep them both anyways.

 
Posted : 18/07/2013 5:29 pm
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The other thing I wondered if it wasn't Silver because it's not in direct sun like I know Blue versions of most any palm tree require to get that Blue color.

It's in a Large greenhouse, with only West facing windows. At one time they had 15 gallon Green Bizzies there but at $275 was too steep for me to buy. Now they are all gone.

Heck, what's another $25?

It's not hard to buy palms now that it's nice out and all them can be outside.

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Posted : 18/07/2013 5:35 pm
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Y'all maybe on to something about full sun = silver/blue.
Scott it's a good lookin palm and definately hard to pass up for 25$.
Both my green chamaerops came from the same lot and both look quite different. Quite a variety in the genus.

 
Posted : 18/07/2013 10:57 pm
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