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(@bill-ma)
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Hey Everyone,
As some of you know while I was in Florida my GFI tripped leaving my washies exposed to 12 days with no heat, along with everything else. Of course this had to happen during the coldest night this winter 4f, followed by three more nights in the low to mid teens. So how many hours where they below freezing? My guess is at least 120 hours, not really a good thing for a washy. I believe they saw a low of 10-12f good thing they where dry or they would be dead for sure!
The two in the back yard actually handled the cold much better only burning about 40% or so.

So I decided to build them a greenhouse to get them pushing out leaves before they come out totally. I thinking I might leave the front one in there until the first of may since it's 100% defoliated, this way I'll get much better growth since April is wet and sometimes crappy here anyways. So here's what I got.

Pictures of the leaves before I chopped them off. They where a little green but totally crispy so I chopped them, Why Not the tree already sucked everything it could from them. If not they just would have pissed me off every time I looked at them, I left the stems which were still green. As you can see from the fourth picture the spear is green and healthy, I have the spear measured so I can monitor it's growth in the weeks to come.




After going through all this effort building this giant ugly box (had all the parts) I figured why not load it up with other stuff it is a pretty good green house.
So I put 5 sabal palmettos, 5 sabal minors, 1 phoenix Sylvester, and 3 agaves in there. Might as well get them geared up for summer too I'm sure they'll like it in there better then the basement greenhouse, which is working very well.


Here it is all closed up


Since it's on the south side of my house and receives sun all day it gets really hot in there, by noon when it's 44f outside it was 102f so I need to add a exhaust fan which is no big deal I have all those parts too, I have it come on in the low 90's, that should get it growing. I did give it a health shot of dyna gro with about six gallons of water, It looked thirsty, the heat cables are keeping the ground warm enough to absorb it too. So there's my last crazy idea.

Any guesses on how many fronds it will make by may 1st?

Thanks for looking,
Bill

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Posted : 23/02/2010 1:23 pm
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Bill- Number 1) It's not 100% defoliated, the petioles remained green! πŸ˜€

I'll say 2 full leaves by May 1st, in addition to the stumpy one that is pushing out now!

Sort of an unfortunate position, this is why you should have planted filifera :twisted:!

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Posted : 23/02/2010 1:47 pm
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Damn, that sucks πŸ˜₯ I feel for the washy but itΒ΄s a big strong tree so hopefully it recovers well. BTW in what zone are you?

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Posted : 23/02/2010 2:00 pm
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My guess is 72 fronds on your W.filiferas.... 😯

That is some serious love my friend,great to see!

My guess is whether it puts out fronds or not it will be seriously moving in
that direction.Even if it's not visible,it will be ready to explode very shortly.
I know someone else who will be very interested if this works πŸ˜‰
Good luck,I am looking forward to pulling the tarp off mine when it unthaws 😯 !

My clear umbrella g-house creates the same effect even with a tarp over
it.
The temp outside is 30 and inside it's 70 8)

Very cool that your doing this,I hope it blasts the roof off!

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Posted : 23/02/2010 2:19 pm
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Bill,
My two uncles would be buried beneath that beauty, adding yet more warmth... πŸ˜†

No heat cables below the roots on this one (like in the back yard under the nanas?) sorry I don't remember.

It must have hurt to cut those fronds off, but they're greener than I would have guessed if they saw 4F.
Presume the 120 hours weren't continuous...daytime temps were above freezing, and then back down at night?
Or did it not get above freezing for 5 days? πŸ˜•

All in all, Bill, I thought it'd look worse.
Wonder whether the crispy is now at its full extent, hopefully the current green isn't still fading to crispy.

I like what you've built...rather than protecting it with barely-above-freezing temps to encourage eventual hardiness, you're kicking it into early summer.
Good idea adding the other plants as the mass will help hold temps as well as benefitting them.

The exhaust fan is cut into the plywood near the top?

If the power goes out, throw a couple chickens in there.

You've made the best of a lousy situation, nicely done, Bill.
May 1st fronds? 2
Soon to be followed by 6.

Attaboy! πŸ˜›
Barb

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Posted : 23/02/2010 7:41 pm
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Hey Paul,
There was a little more green on it too but it was in the way of the spear getting full sun, so off they came. I still think it has some filifera in it! We don't have to agree on this one it's ok. If it was pure robusta it would be DEAD!

Corrosion,
Yeah it does suck, that's what happens when you have two oblivious uncles renting from you. Thanks Guys for noticing :violent1:
I'm in zone 6b, but it's hardly ever goes below zero. Last time was 2003 I'm pretty sure at -2f. Lows the last three years have been 4f this year, 3.6f last year, and 5.6f the year before.

Thanks Jim! I hope you get to take a peek at your washy soon.

Barb,
There is a heat cable under that one too. I'm pretty sure it was below freezing for 5 day or real close at least (poor thing) I think it's done getting crispy too, and trust me if the power goes out and it's cold enough the generator is coming out. The fan isn't in yet but it will be up top, clouds this week so I'm not really worried about it. Summer gear it is, full speed ahead I'm going with 3-4 leaves excluding the stuppy one. The spear is already moving!

Thanks Guys,
Bill

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Posted : 23/02/2010 9:02 pm
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Also remember if you are giving them steroids it's better to admit it now,
rather then later!
Hard to believe the spear is moving!-
that's good news,no need to pull on it,it moves all by itself!

Guess what the temp is here

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Posted : 24/02/2010 12:23 am
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Glad you've got the heat cable on that one too..

stoooopid question, but when the GFI kicked out, that kicked off the heat cables too? or just lights?

Think you've turned adversity around full circle...good for you!

And Jim...those temps! πŸ‘Ώ

Barb

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Posted : 24/02/2010 1:21 am
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Ouch Jim,
Enough is Enough hasn't it been cold long enough at your place! Time for some forties and fifties for you. It has been absolutely pouring here from around 5pm last night, it will let up tonight and then start again tomorrow. Thank God it's not snow we would be buried 3" of rain that's just about 3 feet of snow! That was funny Jim, "no need to pull on it,it moves all by itself!"

Barb,
That one did have the heat cables on still since it was on a different circuit, oddly enough the ones out back where off and they look way better, they where protected better though.

Here's a couple pictures of what the worse of the two look like from out back. Not to bad considering what they went through, they must have had a lot more stored up heat to release.


Bill

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Posted : 24/02/2010 1:13 pm
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Pretty cool that your going to kick their asses into gear,that will be fun to watch!

The temp went down to -1(F) last night.
One more night of COLD,COLD tonight.
The temps MAY hit 40+ this weekend with some sun.
We may(if the 15 day verifies even close)we may be rid
of 90%+ of our snow before the end of the first week of March,
that would help to kick the highs up another 10f over what they would be with snow!

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Posted : 24/02/2010 3:29 pm
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Hey Bill,

Im really sorry man! You put soooo much effort into your palms to have something happen like that! I'm thinking that they will totally rebound by late spring and they will look just like they did last summer, or better. Look on the bright side too. If they do continue to grow at the rate they are you may need to look at cutting off the fronds each winter do to the size. So this could be a good test to see how they do. Still though I'm sure your pissed and I can only emagine how I would feel if the same happened and mine are no where near the size of yours! Hey when I come visit this summer I'll bring you a 24 of real Canadian and we can sit under your palms and laugh about this!!

Take care buddy!

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Posted : 24/02/2010 7:29 pm
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Sounds like a good plan Scott!
Will compare them to the crap molsens we have here.
I have a list of some cool places for you to check out to when you go to Florida. You
must be itching for the sun by now. My cousin pretty much runs one of the huge t-shirt
shops on Main St. I'll let him know your coming and he'll majorly hook you guys up if
you want beach stuff!

Glad to see your stuff holding in there strong, by the time you leave weather should be
pretty mild too.

Talk soon,
Bill

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Posted : 24/02/2010 8:09 pm
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How many spears has your Washy put out today?

I will get to see mine again this weekend and also take the tarp off! πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

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Posted : 25/02/2010 12:43 pm
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Charge your camera's batteries... 8)

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Posted : 25/02/2010 2:26 pm
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Jim,
That will be a nice surprise, like opening presents on Christmas morning πŸ˜€

Barb,
What stuff of yours crapped out?

Bill

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Posted : 25/02/2010 3:22 pm
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