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lucky1
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Oh, poop 😥

EPS registration--and re-registration--went awry.
Gave up.

Barb

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Posted : 08/02/2010 3:20 pm
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Trachy update. I removed the cover today and noticed that the heating cable has turned black in some points 🙁 Perhaps it has heated the crown too much to cause yellowing in the spear? The spear was really dry and but still strong so the overheating could have been the problem.. Anyway here are the pics:

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Posted : 16/02/2010 7:23 am
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I still think it will survive. Hopefully your weather doesn't get to cold before winters over, and spring gets here quickly.

What temperature are your thermostats set to on your heat cables? That's strange they turned black like that they must
have overheated by being crossed but who knows?

Good luck and keep us posted

Bill

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Posted : 16/02/2010 10:44 am
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Corrosion, I don't think that's a heat tape in that last picture, more likely a "rope light", which uses LED technology, producing little if any heat.

Heat tapes, intended for wrapping around (or along) exposed-to-cold copper water pipes, look like this:

http://www.easyheat.com/pipe_tracing.htm

Whereas rope lights are decorative and have other uses, but heat isn't one of them. See this link:

http://www.birddogdistributing.com/rope-light-c-31.html?gclid=CMOXnoO2958CFRMXawoddkTqcQ

I may be wrong, corrosion, but looks like wrong product to wrap around your palm.
Barb

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Posted : 16/02/2010 12:52 pm
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You can certainly use rope lights to warm a modest sized palm BUT you need to greatly reduce
the size of the area your trying to heat and monitor very closely the temp at the spear.

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Posted : 16/02/2010 2:51 pm
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Jim, you think those rope lights produce heat?
I have one on a railing at Christmas, never even gets warm.

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Posted : 16/02/2010 3:00 pm
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Hmm maybe you guys in Canada have more advanced technology used in ropelights 🙂 Mine is 150 w pure heat, thats why it went black in some parts..Miscalculations and I don´t have thermostat at the moment I´m thinking of getting one for the next winter.I´m not that stupid to put led lights for heating purposes 😀 First I bought some regular x-mas lights and those didn´t produce any warmth at all, so I gave those to my mother for decorations and bought new ones. After christmas the light ropes were 3-4 times cheaper than before 😡

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Posted : 16/02/2010 3:21 pm
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Well, then Bill must be correct that it went black from crossing over itself?

Since some rope lights obviously produce heat, I'll look around next Fall to get some.
They're longer than the heat tape I have.
Barb

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Posted : 16/02/2010 3:32 pm
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It's important to use them to heat the whole area as they really aren't going to provide even heat to the whole palm.
What we are really talking about is a low cost low wattage way to heat up a very small enclosure.
When I tried my first umbrella g-house(49wX44h) with 2 Trachys inside,I used a rope light.
There was no rise in the temp,then I tried a 60 wt bulb,2-3f rise.
I finally settled on(that 1st year)a 150 wt heat bulb which added 10-15f on a good day.
I could cover with a tarp and plastic to add 25f +
The moral of the story is to use a remote sensor and see what your getting.

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Posted : 16/02/2010 3:41 pm
 serj
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My fortunei is survived! This picture was taken yesterday.

http://myflora.org.ua/forum

 
Posted : 24/02/2010 3:51 pm
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Nice Job Serj!
Looks totally unscathed by winter. I like all the seedlings around it too.

Bill

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Posted : 24/02/2010 4:05 pm
 serj
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Bill, you are right! All seedlings (including phoenix dactilifera) are OK!

http://myflora.org.ua/forum

 
Posted : 24/02/2010 4:25 pm
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serj,
congratulations.
All look very healthy, as though you did not have winter.

Barb

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Posted : 24/02/2010 4:30 pm
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Yep,looks great!

Can't wait to uncover my T.tesan seedling that has been buried under a pot,leaves and dirt for the whole winter.

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Posted : 24/02/2010 9:21 pm
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You've all seen my outdoor Trachy. It looks horrible. However, the spear is still tight when I tug. (Ditto for the un-heated Butia.)

 
Posted : 24/02/2010 9:22 pm
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