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(@hardyjim)
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I went out to check the cactus and palms yesterday-first time I was able to get into the g-house since the Arctic outbreak.
I intended to take pics but couldn't bring myself to it.
So,today I tried again.
The plan was to heat when temps reached 10(F)

2 problems

1.I made it bigger than last year.
2.The temps may have been 10(F) colder near the edges of the g-house.

Unfortunately there was a separation in the plastic that allowed the snow and wind to get in near the S.louisiana,this palm probably saw zero to sud zero(F) temps.

One good thing upon further inspection is-the petioles are green,the trunks are solid and the Trachys have not lost anymore leaves near their pulled spears.

I may have lost a barrel and this Opuntia came damn close if not

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Winter 2009-2010"></a>

Fortxwag

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Toasty fortxwag"></a>

Tesan

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Toasty Tesan"></a>

Fortunei

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Unfortunate Fortunei"></a>

Luckily no spear pull on this one or my other outside with the fried leaves,this other one saw -2(F) for sure.

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

This Opuntia dang near collapsed

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Opuntia on the edge"></a>

This barrel looks like it might be history-

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Mushy candy barrel?"></a>

Just about everything else looks o.k.

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Cactus garden"></a>

I cant even believe this(Graptopetalum?) one looks like it is still alive!
These are supposed to only be hardy to 30ish(F)

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Graptopetalum?"></a>

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Posted : 12/01/2010 2:21 pm
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Thanks for the photos, Jim. I was thinking about you last week when I saw weather reports from Iowa.
Your Trachys look better than mine does, but then again, mine may have gotten colder than yours did, and certainly much more wind.

 
Posted : 12/01/2010 2:54 pm
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Man that sure looks cold!!! That's a lot of structure going on there. Doesn't the county or city by-law enforcemnet have anything to say about that?

Cheers, Barrie.

 
Posted : 12/01/2010 7:25 pm
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Jim you got it going' on , don't you. That looks like alot of work and you are to be commended for your efforts to bring the tropics to Iowa. Best of luck to you and your plants and I hope your remaining winter is a mild one. I am always surprrsed how cold hardy some of the stuff is, with a little luck (and some warmth) , your plants will be fine.

Kent in Kansas
where it's cold in winter (always)
and hot in summer (usually)
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Posted : 13/01/2010 3:18 am
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Jim, despite the reported temps, things look not too bad.
I'm surprised the Tesan looks worse than the Wag.

Can't remember but did you spray with Freeze Pruf?

Thank goodness for the snow cover.
Quite the test with those temps.

Barb

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Posted : 13/01/2010 5:50 am
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Thanks guys

Barry,I am not sure what you mean.

Barb,the Tesan in all fairness is in it's first year outside and already had spear pull before this happened.
Looks like a beyond/threshold 5(F) to 0(F) event,both Fortxwags have now pulled,luckily the stems and petioles are still in green and not mushy.
Cerifera pulled,Trithrinax is burnt but did not pull,S.louisiana is a little toasty from at least zero if not below zero(F)

Here are some more pics

T.fortunei after -2 to -3(F) Spear is still solid!

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="T.fortunei after -2(F) at least"></a>

T.campestris

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Blue blue Needle palm"></a>

C.australis very toasted but not down yet!

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Uncourted Cordyline"></a>

S.louisiana not to bad considering!

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="S.louisiana"></a>

NOW THE GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T.FORTUNEI LOOKS BETTER TODAY

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="T.fortunei"></a>

NAINI TAL IS THE ONLY ONE WITH SPEAR PULL LAST YEAR THAT HAS NOT REPEATED

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Naini Tal"></a>

T.WAG AS SOLID AS EVER

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="T.wag"></a>

B.ERIOSPATHA LOOKS GOOD

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="B.eriospatha"></a>

NEEDLE PALM-NO PROBLEM

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Needle palm"></a>

SEQUOIA LOOKING GREAT WITH ONLY A PLASTIC POT FOR PRTECTION

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Sequoia"></a>

LAST BUT NOT LEAST-HAD NOT SEEN THE WASHY IN ABOUT A MONTH AND BESIDES SOME BURN TO THE LEAVES THAT WERE CLOSE TO THE PLASTIC
IT'S DOING GREAT AND HAS ACTUALLY GROWN ABOUT 5"!

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="W.robusta"></a>

THANKS FOR TAKING THE TOUR!

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Posted : 13/01/2010 3:15 pm
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Barrie, the bylaw enforcement officer/building official hasn't noticed my palm hut yet either.
Or if he has, probably thinks it's a temporary outhouse 😆 😆
If he says anything, I'll just apply for a building permit after the fact.
Our area is about as "government-in-your-face" as you can get in B.C. (sigh)

Jim,
that Fortunei (10012.jpg) really perked up quickly!
Doesn't even look like it's been outdoors this winter.
Glad the spear's good on the other one.

Could the campestris be a tad young for outdoors?
That c.australis may surprise you, lots of green remains.
Have never seen a variegated form; it'll be a beauty.

When your weather warms up (soon) maybe give everything a drink around the rootzone, I think you'll see leaves unfold even more.

I'm especially impressed with the Waggie, Nainital and Washy.
Doesn't look as though they've suffered very much.

No tip burn at all on the Sequoia!
Impressed that all it needed was a plastic bucket.

You done good 😀 😆 😆
Glad all your hard work is paying off.
Barb

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Posted : 13/01/2010 5:57 pm
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Most of the damage could have been avoided if I would have heated during the Arctic outbreak.
There had to have been some cold pockets in there judging b the damage.
I am off now to add an other opinion(-;(another thermometer really.
I have never seen the one thats in there go below 10(F),maybe it doesn't?
Now I will have another reading that will be taken closer to the edge and this will be my minimum temp(outlier)to tell me when to heat.
Another thing I noticed was that I did not turn the fan up in there,this added to there being cold pockets.
I think that if there is no more decline from the palms,etc in there.I can get them to spring and hopefully some nice recovery!

Thanks Barb

I know they look dry but that is the effect of cold damage/it appears as drought as the plants cannot transport water!
Off to install my thermometer. 😉

Barb here is a pic of the Cordyline 😉 australis before and after
Very suprising that this is still upright/however it will probably rot out in time and collapse 😥

CORDYLINE 11-23-09

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="C.australis"></a>

NOW 😥

<a href=" " target="_blank"><img src=" " border="0" alt="Uncourted Cordyline"></a>

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Posted : 14/01/2010 9:18 am
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It sure looks cold there and for all of the plants to look that good you have done well.
Congrats.

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Posted : 30/01/2010 5:55 am
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Thanks Wes

I have given the Trachys etc a closer look and they are all still solid with green petioles
so they will most likely come back in spring.
I would say half the barrels are toast(or at least jelly 😉 )
C.australis will be left at the roots again.Trithrinax is extremely tosted
but has not pulled.May just be because it is so fibrous.

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Posted : 30/01/2010 2:01 pm
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My fortunei survived after 3 weeks below 0 C. Also we had about -22 -24 C during 6 days! I didn't use any extra heat.



This is my phoenix dactylifera

http://myflora.org.ua/forum

 
Posted : 31/01/2010 7:09 am
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Great result, Serj!
Your Trachy looks MUCH better than mine does. I assume it was covered, right, to keep wind off of it?
--Erik

 
Posted : 31/01/2010 7:44 am
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Looking good Serj
Is that one of Kiril Donov's Bulgarian Trachys?
They almost (rather they do!)appear to have some wooly edges to the leaves like Wagnerianus.
I still wonder if there is some Waggy somewhere in this palm!

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Posted : 31/01/2010 7:50 am
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Jim, this two biggest fortunei from North of Italy. The small fortunei is from Massimo Cola (Roma). All palms was under 2 inch-styrofoam shield. I covered shelter by snow. It locates at place with good microclimate.

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Posted : 31/01/2010 8:46 am
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You should ask Max if they are Fortxwags,they sure look it!
Very pretty palm.

Max sent me 287 Chamaerops,Phoenix and Butia seeds!

Which fir some reason I am growing all of!

I have some small Trachys under styrofoam the only one without spear pull after 10 days of subzero(F) weather,
(the coldest being -10 to -12(F),is the one with 2" thick styrofoam.
The others have only 1/2" styrofoam and I am sure it hit zero(F) or below in those!

I do not believe the 2" thick one has seen less than 15ish(F) and usually stays 20 to 30(F).
These I am testing without heat. 😯

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Posted : 31/01/2010 9:37 am
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