Hardies Palm ---T. fortunei cv “ tieshanâ€

[garrytsen]

T. fortunei cv “ tieshan†(-4F/-20C)

Unlike the famous hardy T. fortunei(-15C/5F) , this is a new species found in late last century, in China and right now planted even in the cold area like Beijing. After 2 decades of successful cultivation and growth, it proves to be the cold hardy palm growing in China (-4F/-20C), but it is more elegant and beautiful than T. fortunei. Its massive tropical palm commands attention and inspires awe. This palm has stout trunk with startling green foliage that amplifies the visual impact of this big beauty. It grows a single trunk with rich fiber hair. What is special is that the leaf has white powder-like wax.
Our nursery have spent decades cultivating this new species and right now some of them are even 350 cm trunk hight.

[DesertZone]

Show us a pic please It sounds like a great palm, but how well does it do at -4f? Is that with out protection of any kind? I would love to hear more about it

[garrytsen]

For Pictures of T. fortunei cv “ tieshanâ€, check my album
http://photo.163.com/openalbum.php?user ... =/17471674

[DesertZone]

What is the cost of a seedling(s) shipped to the USA? I could not read the website and I did not want to download the english program.
Thanks

[Okanagan desert-palms]

Hi Garry. Could you give me some info of where T.cv tieshan grows naturally in china. I have tried to find out by doing some research on it. Or is it a hybrid of other Trachycarpus species. I noticed Bejing is a zone 7 bordering on zone 6 ,so I`m quite interested to find out more about it before purchasing some of them for my zone 6.
Thanks

[DesertZone]

Good questions

[garrytsen]

Hey everyone
Sorry for the delayed reply. I have got back from my my 7-day National Day Holiday. Normanlly the freight for 20 container range from USD 3500-5000 depending on the destinations.One 20 ft container could hold 230 trachycarpus fortunei.As for T. fortunei cv “ tieshan†which is stronger that the former, it can hold 200 of average 2m trunk height. For 1 meter height, it reaches 500-600 roughly.
T. fortunei cv “ tieshan†was a new cultivation varigated species, first experimented in Jiangsu (zone 7) over decades ago and proved to bear the cold temperature 5F (-15C)and the domestication in Beijing proves that they are able to stand -4F (-20C minimum) and so some people even call them Beijing Palm as this is the cold hardiest palm that are growing north Yellow River in China. Right now Our palms are growing in the branch farm located in Jiangsu (-15C) .After 15 years cultivation, some palm even grow to 4 m trunk height. But they have distinct features from T. fortunei.
Special Feature of Beijing Palm ( T. fortunei cv “ tieshan†)
1. shorter petioles than T.fortunei
2. stronger trunk than T.fortunei ( 10-25cm )
3. better cold hardiness than T.fortunei
4. powder-like wax or fuzza when young
5. thicker fiber air layer

Check the temperature in Beijing
http://www.chinahighlights.com/beijing/ ... rature.htm

[DesertZone]

All I need now is $5000.00 If I had the cash I would get them ,but that would be a hard sell $250.00 apiece at cost Would be worth it to some people.

[Okanagan desert-palms]

Aaron I agree we are all ,or most of us are just cold hardy plant enthusiasts without a large nursery budget . I for one would like to try these palms because of zone 6 denial . I think if we could get some of these that could handle -20c -5 f they would take off .Garry`s T. tieshan and make a whole lot of us so much more happy about trying palms in our zones. So how bout it Garry you have it in your wisdom to start a palm revolution in our zones? Do you have any way of shipping these palms besides a shipping container? Seeds?
Cheers, John

[macario]

****

[banana joe]

If I win the lottery. Seriousley they sound like a great palm. You should try getting hold of Casino Tropicals in Surrey, B.C. , Canada. Those guys are always importing large size hardy palms in mass quantities. Maybe the owner would scoop some of those. He had hoards of large Butias, Chamaerops and Needle Palms the last time I was there. He imports mature Phoenix, Sabal palmetto and more. I've also seen mature Serenoa repens 'Silver Form' tehre. His larest Needle palms were approx. $1,000, they were awesome. The S.palmetto had at least 10'ft of trunk. His Sabal minors were also beauties. Cheers, Banana Joe

[DesertZone]

They look like a great palm. I would love to have a few , but my funds are low right now.

Hey Joe, do have a pic of the $1,000 needle palm

[Wes North Van]

Joe,
I called casino and they wanted $400.00 for a sabal minor. Is this a good deal?
Also how much did they wat for their palmettos?
Did they have different sizes?
In your opinion is sabal minor and sabal palmetto hardy. I am in one of Vancouver's best microclimates.

[banana joe]

Wes, I have one of those S.minor from Casino, but I managed to get a beter deal than that. I planted it in mid. May and it really has nice blue clooured fronds. It also has been flowering since I planted it. It has approx. 10 flower spikes in all. I'm not worried about S. minor at all, because I have others in the ground that I planted long before that one. As far as I'm concerned S.palmetto should be fool proof here as well. The seedlings I planted in 1993 are still there and have never been affected by cold temps. Drop me an e-mail and I'll show you a mature S.minor on our island planted nearly a decade ago, and a good size palmetto planted at the same time. I took pics. of them last week. The S.minor was coming into bloom .Cheers, Joe bananajoe@saltspring.com

[macario]

Ok guys with a little wheelin and dealing I will have some 2 meter/ 6 foot of trunk Tesan for sale. I will have them in Feb. I wanted to give you enough notice so if you want them you can have the money ready. These are coming straight from China. If you are interested email me and I will put you on a list. leave me your address and phone number and I will call you. These will be almost totaly bare root and the leaves will be cut back so the dont dry out and survive the trip. Shipping will be a lil extra. The cost is $200 bucks for 6ft and if you get more than 1 ( for producing seeds ) they will be $150 each.
If you have and regular fortunei of the same size, I may trade for a few. Heres how it will look when you get it.

[garrytsen]

Somebody gets no idea about T.fortunei cv Tesan and even doubts its existence .The truth is that T.fortunei cv Tesan is the only palm that is living in Beijing,China -4F (-20C minimum,zone 5-6), north Yellow River,China whereas T.forunei can only grow in the south of Yellow River.All of this knowlegde is for science promotion and let all the palm enthusiasts know T.fortunei cv Tesan is.

T. fortunei cv tesan was a new cultivation varigated species,that is never seen outside of China and rarely seen even in China. It was first experimented in Jiangsu (zone 7) in 1970 and proved to bear the cold temperature 5F (-15C)and our domestication in Beijing proved that they were able to stand -4F (-20C minimum,zone 5-6) and so some people even call them Beijing Palm as this is the cold hardiest palm that are growing north Yellow River in China. But the number of the this palm is not many as the cultivation costs are high and many foreign palms came to China greatly affecting the local palm sales and few will take the challenge to grow them. Right now the palms are growing in the branch farm located in Kongsou (-15C) .After 15 years cultivation, some palm even grow to 4 m trunk height. But they have distinct features from T. fortunei.

Difference between T.fortunei cv Tesan and T.fortunei showing by pics

1. shorter petioles than T.fortunei , it is judged in a comparative sense.
2. stronger trunk than T.fortunei , normally T.fotunei in China is thin whereas T.fortunei cv Tesan is much stronger comparatively.
3. the big difference - better cold hardiness (-4F/-20C) than T.fortunei (5F/-15C) , T.fortunei cv Tesan can grow north Yellow River like Beijing (zone6-7) while T.fortunei are growing in south Yellow River .This is proved by many experiments of the research Institute
4. powder-like wax or fuzza on the seeds which is rarely seen on the seeds of T.fortunei or leaves when young
check the attached pics
5. thicker fiber air layer
Those who wanna know more details abou this new palm, send your inquiry to my email cnnursery@yahoo.com

Garry

[Okanagan desert-palms]

Barb here is the original discussion on shipping T. tesan