Trachycarpus 'nanital' update

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:34 am

Trachycarpus nanital looks mint.

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lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:11 am

Wow, that is in mint condition, Tim.

Just think of what your mild winter would mean...if it was every winter

The stuff we could grow with no--or minimal--protection.

But then we'd be trying Cocos outdoors

Barb

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:20 am

Nice Tim

Quite the friendly winter,at the rate the temp goes up over
the next few weeks,plants should have a 6 week jump over last year!

Cameron_z6a_N.S. · Post by **Cameron_z6a_N.S.** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:18 pm

Great work, Tim! I recently saw some great shots of T. "nainital" in Nainital, India. The poster made a point that many of the Trachycarpus in Nainital were regular T. fortunei that were introduced when the area was a British outpost.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:12 am

Yes, these nanitals don't look all that different from a 'regular' fortunei to me......the only difference I noticed is that all the seedlings had a 'lean' when growing......this 'lean' is gone now.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:21 am

The most plausible explanation is that the Fortunei hybirdized with Takil.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:08 am

T. 'nainital' update......growing fast now.

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JackLord · Post by **JackLord** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:47 am

Nice! If someone told me that was a pic of Florida, I would believ it.

coconutmike · Post by **coconutmike** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:29 am

Hey Tim -That palm looks really good. I have 2 little guys also in my garden and i just put a rose cone over them and they seem to be the hardiest palm in the garden-tougher than t. fortunei and t. wagnerianus
great pics
mike

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:40 am

Yup, with no trunk lean/creeping trunk, it's gotta have hybridized.
What a beauty Tim.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:41 pm

yes, I too am surprised these nainitals are so hardy. I planted it in 2008 as a 'baby'........here's a photo of it after it's first winter.

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hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:01 am

How about some more pics if this one Tim???

From the side would be great!

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:12 am

Hi Jim,

a few more recent photos of the nainital.

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Paul Ont · Post by **Paul Ont** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:36 am

What a nice looking palm!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:05 pm

Cool looking tomentum...I used to rub that off.

Very robust looking, Tim.

Barb

wxman · Post by **wxman** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:34 pm

Looks great! Are they more cold hardy than fortunei?

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:57 am

Thanks everyone..............and Tim, it's 0.01F hardier than the normal Trachy! It's the only palm which has thirved in my garden.

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:17 pm

WOW...that looks great Tim.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:29 am

Good looking palm-you can still see the serious lean it had when it was young by all those crossed petiole bases.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:05 pm

update of T. nainital.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bnwvfuhbH8

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:26 am

It grew tons this year, Tim.
Obviously loves it there.

What a beauty.

Barb

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:34 pm

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:25 pm

Tim,
Did you cheat and BEND the top 6 inches over ('coz your fence is too short?)

the yuccas are saying thanks for the space.

Barb

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:51 am

Tim,

No heat source? with your protection? just leaves?

Scott/Omaha

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:42 am

He has some Halloween lights around it.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:00 pm

Hi Barb,

it does appear that the palm leaves extend beyond the top of the protection but those leaves are really a palm tree in the background in my neighbor's yard.

Hi Scott,

Jim is correct......I do have some lights inside......if temps drop I'll turn them on. We are zone 6b so only a few nights will be cold enough to kill it. Keeping it dry is the key in our area......the leaves buffer the temp drops so a quick drop to 0F with a rebound to 25F will likely not kill it (with no lights).

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:44 am

a palm tree in the background in my neighbor's yard

Had to look at that photo two and three times

I'm a total convert to the insulating properties of leaves now that I've tried it with my Washies.
Used leaf-filled, mostly-black plastic bags.
Did'nt have any rigid wire so "enclosure" was hard to construct, really "lumpy".
I'm absolutely blown away by how warm black plastic bags get on a sunny day (overwrapped with clear plastic).

I goofed though, and placed the thermocube in one Washy's protection.
Hasn't turned on yet and it was -8C (17F) for several nights.

No sun is expected for a week (SNOW

) , so it'll cool down now.

Barb

andym · Post by **andym** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:17 pm

A very nice Nanital there Tim. How long can the palm be covered up like that without natural light? I've recently planted a Nanital with a small trunk and too have put Oak leaves around the trunk but the leaves will remain free and open pending relatively mild weather.
My lowest temp so far has been 21F with three days staying below freezing and yet my leaf pile was wet just below the surface indicating good insulation

I also use Bracken on most of my palms.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:38 pm

Hi Barb,

yes those leaves sure do moderate the temperature........when dry. If they get too wet then there are other issues.

Hi Andy,

your colder than me so far this 'winter'. Our daytime highs have always hit at least 32F so far. This winter so far is like last year.....very warm. December is 5F above 'normal' so far. I kept the Trachy exposed to sun as long as I could but I had to protect it since we were forecasted to get many, many days of RAIN. I was afaid that all the wet and night below freezing would be too much. Lack of daylight does not seem to impact palms for some reason.....as long as the roots are 'cold'. The only palm which I have difficulties protecting is Sabal..........They always brown out on me even though they are green which I remove the protection.

I have another question for you Andy.........in 2010 when you had that 2 week cold spell........did Fatsia die to the ground? I'm trying to figure out which marginal plants survived and which plants died. I recently purchased a few 'hardy' Scheffleras and a couple 'hardy' Metapanex plants. How hardy are these???

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:28 pm

One thing though about the leaves, Tim.
Glad you're using really low wattage bulbs...dry leaves and light bulbs aren't a good combo.

Barb

andym · Post by **andym** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:14 am

TimMAz6 wrote:Hi Barb,

yes those leaves sure do moderate the temperature........when dry. If they get too wet then there are other issues.

Hi Andy,

your colder than me so far this 'winter'. Our daytime highs have always hit at least 32F so far. This winter so far is like last year.....very warm. December is 5F above 'normal' so far. I kept the Trachy exposed to sun as long as I could but I had to protect it since we were forecasted to get many, many days of RAIN. I was afaid that all the wet and night below freezing would be too much. Lack of daylight does not seem to impact palms for some reason.....as long as the roots are 'cold'. The only palm which I have difficulties protecting is Sabal..........They always brown out on me even though they are green which I remove the protection.

I have another question for you Andy.........in 2010 when you had that 2 week cold spell........did Fatsia die to the ground? I'm trying to figure out which marginal plants survived and which plants died. I recently purchased a few 'hardy' Scheffleras and a couple 'hardy' Metapanex plants. How hardy are these???

Ooops. nearly missed this. Tim I had two Fatsia... Fatsia Polycarpa and Fatsia Japonica. F Japonica survived with little damage. F Polycarpa ( the more beautiful species IMO) appeared to be ok but suddenly died on me in September '11 nine months later from that freeze

Cannot for the life of me get Metapanax Delavayi over here. you may need to protect this plant as its considered a zone 8a plant.

What Scheffleras did you buy? pics please of your booty

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:14 pm

Hi Andy

I received S. delaveyi, taiwaniana, and a species from northern Vietnam at 2,150m sold bt Far Reaches Nursery. I was hoping your Fatsia was damaged after the 2010 cold spell. As for Metapanex I picked up delaveyi and davidii.

TimMAz6 · Post by **TimMAz6** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:30 pm

I removed the protection today.

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Only the leaves outside the protection got burnt....overall the palm looks good.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:42 pm

Tim that came out mint this year..... Good job!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:55 pm

Well done, Tim, looks perfect!

Araucaria looks good too.

Barb

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:00 pm

I feel left out! still have all mine with cages still around, but making a quick trip to Maryland so don't want to unwrap and have weather forecast be wrong and me away....They will wait till next week when I get back.

Encouraging to see everybody's palms look so good after what seems to be a longer than usual winter.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:04 pm

Better safe than sorry if you're going away, Scott.

If you were home, we'd say "yank 'em, that's enough"

Have a good trip.
Barb

InsanePalmNinja · Post by **InsanePalmNinja** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:24 pm

hardyjim wrote:Nice Tim

Quite the friendly winter,at the rate the temp goes up over
the next few weeks,plants should have a 6 week jump over last year!

A friendly winter? I disagree really. Thats all am going to say for now.

Henoh_Croatia · Post by **Henoh_Croatia** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:05 am

Tim, good job!

Winter is still here in northern Croatia and most of Europe. The end of March and it is almost 20 cm snow outside

Still waiting for warm Spring.

janci · Post by **janci** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:18 am

Tim Nainital after winter looks great invented 're good protection

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