Yet another new addition........

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:52 am

Good Adenium site here, tons of info.

http://mrbrownthumb.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... -care.html

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:55 am

lucky1 wrote:Definitely unglazed clay pots.
I've seen glazed pots used in India (also China by bonsai enthusiasts), but I wouldn't use it.

Don't know if those are flower or leaf buds.

a warmer room, or had a window with sun it would probably come out of dormancy
Mine is always warm in winter but still loses its leaves, likely a response to lower daylight hours.

And dropping of leaves is common as it finishes its annual sparse leaf growth.
I freaked when mine did that, but it sprung back nicely in a few months.

I've read that "ruthless pruning" is good for it, but never dared to cut off more than a quarter inch from the "fingers".

I've NEVER been able to find a decent explanation of its fertilizer needs, so haven't fertilized.

A bit of neglect is better than babying an Adenium obesum.

Barb

There are quite a few plants that will drop leaves, despite temps. My Passiflora Incarnata is the same deal. I thought they were both dead, and a week ago they shat out a bunch of leaf buds. If your wondering, I did not want to plant them till this year so they are inside the house.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:12 pm

Unglazed pot it is! we'll see what emerges from the little buds at the tips. Will post a pic if they are flowers.

I have to stop looking at pictures of members palms, just gives me ideas of what I THINK I need.....

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:40 pm

A tip for the clay pot. Soak it in water for a day before planting. Clay has a habit of sucking mositure out of everything.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:45 pm

Will do! sounds like a good common sense thing to do.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:02 pm

just gives me ideas

Eggs-actly.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:07 pm

New arrival from Jungle Music. Needle palm to spend rest of winter in it's pot, then to be planted outside on the south side of my garage to keep a Trachy company I already have there.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:29 pm

Gorgeous needle, Scott.

With Phil's vast experience he probably grew that in 2 years.

In your garage would be the best spot (versus indoors).
That Trachy will have good company come spring.

Barb

Okanagan desert-palms · Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:32 pm

Scott very nice Needle palm. You have officially caught the palm bug

Many years of growing great palms ahead for you!

John

DesertZone · Post by **DesertZone** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:28 pm

Nice sized needle.

hardyjim · Post by **hardyjim** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:15 pm

Nice one!

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:43 am

Thanks. Is now keeping company with some Windmills, and Chinese fan palm I'm over wintering in the garage, but anxious to get it planted in the spring.

In a few short months this palm "interest" of mine has turned into an obsession!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:18 am

In a few short months this palm "interest" of mine has turned into an obsession!

The next stage is getting ticked off that the palms you want aren't available anywhere.

So you start germinating really exotic palm seeds.
Or trying to (I'm reminded of Copernicia hospita, Pritchardia pacifica, Cyrtostachys renda etc.)
Then you need to move to a house with bigger windows 'coz exotics can only be outside for 4 months.
Then you start looking at Florida real estate.
They you wish you were younger to see them mature.
Then you wonder who you'll bequeath them to 'coz your kids would kill the palms.

It never ends, Scott.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:37 am

The next stage is getting ticked off that the palms you want aren't available anywhere.

So you start germinating really exotic palm seeds.
Or trying to (I'm reminded of Copernicia hospita, Pritchardia pacifica, Cyrtostachys renda etc.)
Then you need to move to a house with bigger windows 'coz exotics can only be outside for 4 months.
Then you start looking at Florida real estate.
They you wish you were younger to see them mature.
Then you wonder who you'll bequeath them to 'coz your kids would kill the palms.

It never ends, Scott. icon_rolleyes.gif

Barb, I plan on trying germinating some seeds in the spring. Since I have a small green house better put it to use!

Won't move, but will do my best to buy palms that I can over winter in the garage. I have a lot of space in here I can use, even if I have to create a warmer environment that I already have in there.

I wish I was younger! but for even more reasons than to see plants mature, and yes I do wonder what I will do when some fast growing palms outgrow my house...but I have a good idea.

Now, for my two new additions today.

I knew my local Nursery (Mulhall's) was getting more new varieties of palms in today so just had to stop and look and brought home this Christmas Palm. $49.00 for a triple.

Then, out the corner of my eye I saw they also got in some choice looking Bottle Palms for just $79.00 I had no way to get it in the car, so will go back on Saturday to pick it up when I can take my truck. Bottle Palm wasn't on my "must have" list, but they just had 6 and didn't know if they would ever get them in again. I didn't think $79 was bad at all for the size. I had gal helping me to stand with plant for size idea.

Godfryd · Post by **Godfryd** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Wow, good looking palms!
I adore Bottle palm - it's great that you get someone!
Please make more photos when you bring her home

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:43 pm

but will do my best to buy palms that I can over winter in the garage

You're zero-for-two so far today

Wow, man oh man, we Canadians sure don't get specimens -- or deals -- like that.
They are absolutely beautiful Scott.

Re the zero-for-two comment, neither Christmas nor Bottle palms can spend winter in your garage

Mulhall's should have subsidiary nurseries...in Canada.
You found a great nursery there, Scott!

Yes, another pic when the Bottle comes home.
So what's wrong with picking it up Friday night?

Barb

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:18 pm

I knew ahead of time about the Christmas Palm not being cold hardy enough to be in garage. I didn't expect to see the Bottle palms there at all, and when I saw them from a distance I just assumed they would be more than I was willing to spend today..........but then I looked at the price and then didn't really care about how cold hardy it would be...I'd keep it inside over the winter...and possibly all year around. I might keep them BOTH inside all year around, not sure.

Mulhall's is on winter hours so close at 5pm, and I don't get off work till 5:30. I picked mine out and it's tagged and put away from others till I can get there on Saturday. I need to create some room in the living room for the Bottle. Right now the ever growing Eneste banana is taking up A LOT of space in that area. Might have to move it to the master bath, bath tub for the remainder of the winter.

Also, I would need my truck to bring it home as it won't fit in my work car at all. I can lay it down in the bed of the truck (they wrap all plants before they let them leave and give out care sheet) I have a tannau cover over the bed I can further protect it for the 5 mile drive to my house.

Christmas palm care sheet said it likes a more warm, more humid environment, so for the time being is in banana room. I'm not going to repot them right away because they just made the long trip from Florida to Omaha, then me moving them yet again to my house is putting them through a lot, so will let them accumlate to my house before putting them in their permanent pots.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:07 pm

Both the Christmas and Bottle should be outside on a patio in summer, morning sun only, when it's hot.
And they both like the same conditions...think of Hawaii, warm humid breezes, frequent warm showers. Never dry desert heat.

banana is taking up A LOT of space

sorry guys, but I'd toss 50 bananas to make room for those two palms.

5 mile drive?

Place a big piece of cardboard on the cold truck bed before laying down the palm.
Turn the heater on, vent it under the cover

/ drive fast.

Always good to let a new plant settle into a new spot before repotting it.

Might have to move it to the master bath, bath tub for the remainder of the winter.

You fit right in here, Scott, with the rest of the palm nuts...2 bathtubs and we sponge-bathe at the sink

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:36 pm

Pics of newly acquired Christmas and Bottle Palm over the past two days. Still have to find new place for Eneste to over winter for a few more months.

Godfryd · Post by **Godfryd** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:40 pm

Thanks for the next pictures of bottle palm and the others plants!
Now I see that not only me - during winter time change rooms into store for exotic plants

I have to show the pics to my wife, that I'm not the one he he :

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:45 pm

This mild winter were having is giving me even more spring fever, and I'm officially out of space in my house and it's still only January! Good thing the nursery I buy most of my stuff at isn't getting the next palm I want (Canary Island Date Palm) till the end of March and at least I can over winter that one in the garage.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:56 pm

Your Bottle is a spectacular addition, Scott.
A beauty.

I have to show the pics to my wife, that I'm not the one he he :

My husband walks through the plants making monkey noises...

Barb

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:18 pm

sashaeffer wrote:Will the obsession ever end? found this Fish Tail Palm at one of our nicer nursery's today and even though I wasn't really looking or wanting a Fish Tail Palm, it was sure priced right and couldn't walk away. Now part of the collection. Heard they are kind of finicky.

I love these. Just saw a huge one in Miami last weekend.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:41 am

Found this 1 gallon European Fan Palm at a small family owned nursery. It was the only palm they had and was just $16.95 I didn't need this palm since I have a big one of these already, but then though of a place outside that I will plant it next to the house in the spring.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:12 pm

That chammie even has a few suckers at the bottom!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:31 pm

Seventeen bucks is all they charged for that size/species????

(mumble mumble) Are we Canadians ever getting ripped off!
That'd be $50 or $60 here easily, if we could find it.

(blood pressure levels off again)

Has a hint of blue ... could it be a Chamaerops humilis "cerifera"?
which would make it a Blue Mediterranean

Good shopping!

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:33 pm

Suckers soon to be cut off. Just want a single truck version of this one.

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:46 pm

Tip: just make a clean cut flush with the outside of the palm trunk.
Don't dig into the trunk with knife.

Try to root the suckers by dipping an inch into rooting hormone.
Just mist the soil very lightly, and do not water sucker for, say, a month, keeping it cool near a window but not full sun.

Didn't work for me, but no harm in trying.

Barb

Godfryd · Post by **Godfryd** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:55 pm

Wow, good price for the palm!
Looks very nice

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:00 pm

Thanks Godfryd,

couldn't just let it sit there all by itself like it was!

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:01 am

Palms Won't Grow here author David A Francko Said in his book that Chinese Fan Palms could be considered a "die back perennial" for zone 5ers.

So...since the area Walmart's seem to have a endless supply of these coming in, fur just $15 I thought I would give it a try. Bought this one today to keep until warmer weather arrives this spring to plant it...and maybe more. Next fall I'll cut back, mulch heavy and see what happens next spring.

Has anyone here ever planted a Chinese Fan Palm, or Majesty Palm in the ground as a die back plant....and had luck with them coming back in the spring?

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:04 am

Ive read that too. The only thing ive seen online, was someone in michigan doing it, but I have never seen any update on this,,,

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load ... 21714.html

Ive been tempted to try this myself, but I personally think that guy is in really lucky area. IT would have to be righ tnext to a south facng wall , with a ton of heat sinks.

ALso, paulont made a good point to me on a post (which i cannot find lol). It may be a dieback perrenial, but how so? One leaf, or 2 a year, that die, and come back would only make the tree a few years. A tree cant take that sort of stress for that long (im assuming). It also may not look like what you expect.

I realy hope you try it. At 15 bucks, that isnt to bad of a deal at all. My advice would be to put it in the absolute hotest part of your yard, preferably next to a large stone wall, that faces south. If not, I would try putting it in a small stone terrace to absorb heat in the winter. I would also multch with stone, again to absorb heat. Put some large stones about a foot away from it, again, to absorb heat. In the winter, I would stake it, make a small tarp fence around it, and bury it in leaves, like a musa basjoo. IF you get a reliable, deep snow pack every winter, even better. Ive sen videos of people building snow forts around their palms over the winter.

Good luck, and keep us updated!!

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:12 am

I have a lot of South facing area along the side of my house, and garage.(have windmill overwintering there now and 1 banana) have just the spot picked out for this plant...and maybe one more. I believe when temps start to damage the fronds were supposed to cut it back flush with the ground, mulch it and hope it comes back. It's worth spending $15 bucks to find out and report to fellow members here. So far have bought a local nursery store left over European Fan palm in a 1 gallon pot for $18 and a Needle Palm from Phil at Jungle Music...all going to find homes along that south side sunny area this spring.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:40 pm

Here dude, quite a few people grow it as a perennial, especially in ohio. Also, it is apparently in the book " palms wont grow here and other myths".

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/57887/

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:01 pm

Yes, that is where I got the idea, just have never really seen them sold around here before and for that cheap.

We'll see how it does this year.

canadianplant · Post by **canadianplant** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:06 pm

im hoping to find one this weekend. I have one, but its 10 years old, and ive brought it back from near death twice. I dont wanna kill that one lol.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:11 pm

Just read all the positive replies in the Daves Garden link you sent...may have to pick up a couple more!

Thanks for the link.

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:41 am

I can't imagine letting them die off every year...seems like torture to me.

sashaeffer · Post by **sashaeffer** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:14 am

Not dying off....just cutting back like many other plants we over winter in the north....like the Sedums I have around my house, or the Canna's

sidpook · Post by **sidpook** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:21 am

sashaeffer wrote:Not dying off....just cutting back like many other plants we over winter in the north....like the Sedums I have around my house, or the Canna's

WHat do you do to keep your cannas form turning to mush??

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