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yuccaman
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My palms and other plants are dying

Post by yuccaman » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:40 am

I had put out my Chinese fan palm for the summer and its losing fans and only have 4 fans left but they are almost dead. I water it on hot days but we have ben having cold nights like 9C.

My yucca is dead, Tulip tree is almost dead, Crabapple lost all of its leaves, Cherry tree dead, peaches almost dead with rock hard peaches. Im tired of plant more trees and dying on me. My three small maples that are dying are in the compost or used for fire wood.

I hate the trees in my area that are sugar maple, largethooth aspen, qauking aspen, Eastern white pine,
common juniper, red oak, white oak Eastern hemlock . I hate these trees because they die, they are bent, crooked
snapped, lots are dead. they die from winter to summer. Why do we even have trees in my area when they
are junk. worthless, trash that die and they are invasive weeds that pop up everywere and die. Im sorry about this.

Im tired of my trees keep dying on my all the time. Jims needle palm is dead. Now leaves are changing colors for fall because of cold nights. I can't plant anything in trenton because my USDA zone is bad, our soil is bad. our weather is bad. and my growing season is bad because nothing grew in my garden but just one cucumber that died. Trenton is the worst gardening place in ontario. of course water has bacteria that killed my hosta. My smoke tree died in the winter. Its a zone 5 tree.

My cedars are browning up and dying. Im an unlike gardener that had the worst zone 5. I liked florida much better.

I need help because I waste my money on trees and shrubs and plants that die everytime. Any help?



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Post by Knnn » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:10 am

I've resigned myself to having 99% of my stuff in containers, Do you have room inside to overwinter?
Also how about a greenhouse? They don't neccesarily need to be elaborate or expensive, ( I put one together from old windows and used framing )

There is little here in a 5B Zone I can keep outside, I will try every Winter and probably be depressed in the Sping ,but will keep on trying :lol: :lol:

If I had a way to get some plants to you I would, If your ever down this way let me know!


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Good idea

Post by yuccaman » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:46 am

Thank you. I will build a greenhouse and overwinter plants too. Its hard losing plants that you like. Well
I will have to keep on trying. I will let you know.

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Good idea

Post by yuccaman » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:46 am

Thank you. I will build a greenhouse and overwinter plants too. Its hard losing plants that you like. Well
I will have to keep on trying. I will let you know. What do you overwinter?

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Greenhouse plans

Post by Knnn » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:07 am

This is a good link for free greenhouse plans,

http://bioengr.ag.utk.edu/extension/Ext ... se%20Plans

I more or less overwinter everything I have, ( Palms,Cycads & some Tropicals ). Will load up the greenhouse in October and most of the free space in the house.
I've found using a ceramic heater in the GH is probably about the cheapest, I try to keep it at a 40F min. Not much growth in the Winter but everything seems to stay healthy, also seems to work for the things that need a dormancy period.

In the yard this Winter will be a W. robusta, some Zamias and a couple Needles. Hopefully a 50% chance with protection, If nothing else maybe global warming will catch up with Zone 5 :lol:
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Post by Alchris » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:04 pm

I wish that I could help. My trees are doing better than yours. I have been using a root waterer and adding fertilizer to the root waterer in the spring and adding both fertilizer and Super Thrive in the summer. Otherwise I am having similar problems here but not as severe. The heat all but wiped out my dianthus and my potentilla recta. One of my rhododendrons is just hanging on and the bamboo is about a third of the size it was when I planted it. My martagon lily is dead. It was a red unspotted variety and had it's first bloom last year. It will be almost impossible to replace.

I had moved my amorphophallus peaonefolious into the shade when it it broke the ground's surface and stopped growing. 3 weeks later the big one is 6" tall and looks like it will not bloom this year. The 2 smaller ones have only grown half an inch. Now with it being cold at nights, I have them back in the sun. About 20% of the leaves on my plum tree have turned red and what few plums didn't fall off are small and green. My yucca filamentosa is a shadow of its original size and nothing that I do seems to help. It is still alive but I don't like its chances to survive the winter. The Yucca flacida is doing fine and is about 3 times as big as this spring. My varigated bleeding heart is almost dead as are most of my columbine. My new Wisteria grew like a weed and is now 7' tall and covering a trellis and an arbor. But the leaves are yellowing now. It must be the cold. The drainage is good and the soil well fertilized.

My washys, trachys, jacarandas, Kolkwitzias and mimosa are still in the shade and holding their own. The sabals are in the house and growing slowly. I hate to admit it but the ones that Nate got from me are growing much better than mine.

But on the good side-- The amaranthis that I planted to fill in a spot is already 6' tall (it is only supposed to grow 3'); I've now got 4 climbing roses that are over 6' tall and all the roses have been covered in blooms all summer. The lilies, especially the the oriental stargazers etc. have almost twice as many blooms and their scent is over powering. My 3 tomato plants have been producing more than we can eat since the first of August when they usually don't produce until mid august. The butterfly bushes are flushing again and will be in full bloom within the week. And the arborvitae--now about 35 years old-- is about 30% wider and covered in leaves and seed.

Its been an awful summer for you-- easily 3 or 4 degrees hotter and colder than here. But hang in there. Look around - there is bound to be some good come of the ridiculous weather.

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Post by Kansas » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:43 pm

"and the bamboo is about a third of the size it was when I planted it. "
Mine too buddy. The culms are fine, and after I put some cow manure down, I actually saw a little new growth at the bottom of the pot.
But the leaves are about a third of the number they were when I planted (Yellow Groove). I sure hope the new culms are healthy this fall.

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Chinese fan palm?

Post by Okanagan desert-palms » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:52 pm

Donnie I have the best luck with Chinese fan palms when they look like they are in decline I check to see if they are root bound. I pot them into a larger pot add some root hormone and they start to look better within 2 weeks. I wouldn`t think it was to late to do this :) . I would also get a soil ph meter and salts meter to see what your soil is doing for all your plants and trees.

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Post by yuccaman » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:41 am

I checked the soil last evening and its not looking so good. There have been many complaints that peoples gardens are not growing. Plus cannas are dying all over town to. The trees were killed by an heat that was 37C humidex 48C and the was alot of 30C most days some 35C. The grass is dying. But we had some misty and windy showers that made things a little better.

Forecast is mostly all sun with no rain. Yellow grove bamboo was almost killed in the 37C heat.
It was in a forest behind my house. I don't know how it got there. I might take some.
Summer forecast. 24C, 28C, 26C,24C,25,25. Just sun

Not too good. I will try to save my Chinese fan palm.
I hope fall helps things. Winter will be 10C, 18C above normal
in some days. So its another floody mild winter. With Huge
Amount of rain. I will need a supercell thunderstorm
To make the grass much greener.

Wes. I hope your chinese fan palm does not end up like mine. I will take your advice.

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Post by Alchris » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:29 am

Kansas;

I'm glad that your bamboo is growing. I got my Fargesia murieleai bare root this spring and planted it outside. I had another good look at it this morning and there is nothing new growing. The soil I put it in is in good condition and I have already added Super Thrive. I hope that there is enough summer left for it to start growing. The hot day that we had last week sure didn't help. It went from highs of 20-22 C and lows of 12-13 C to a high of 31 and a low of 27 in one day and then back to 'normal' for a couple of days before jumping to 29/24 C for another day.

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Post by nucci60 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:46 pm

:?:Yuccaman, there is aother website I go to , "hardy palms for the north and more", there is one guy (mark) that is in zone 4 Ontario and has bananas and bamboo and all kinds of stuff in the ground that seems to be doing great. He has the most recent post on the site, maybe he can help you out, because someyhing is going wrong with such heavy losses.

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Post by nucci60 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:44 am

:oops: sorry yuccaman, the correct way to get on that site is hardy palms and more for the northeast.

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Post by Kansas » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:55 am

GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Checked my Yellow Groove this morning and I have a 6" baby culm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I am SOOOOOO pumped now.
Good luck to you guys thou. We had rain, hard for an hour and soft for 5 hours, then a break in the clouds for two hours, then hard rain again for an hour......it did this for almost two days straight. We are still in the rut too. Hope it keeps up. The storm did break one of my bananas thou :cry:

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Post by Alchris » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:44 am

That's great.

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