Nypa fruticans

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:21 pm

This is a species of Palm that can be dated back 60 - 70 million years in the fossil record.

Nypa can be grown in a container, but it's true home is in the water.

Some more info here ------> http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Nypa/fruticans.html

These actually float , some will have already germinated before being released into the water.

And here they are in an environment that will hopefully allow them to prosper

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:34 am

2 Weeks later and growing...........

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:21 am

Just adding photos to show the growth rates ,

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:22 am

Kansas · Post by **Kansas** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:25 pm

Would the method of under water like these work for Alocasia & Colocasia?? If so, would I put soil in the pots or just tiny rocks?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:54 pm

If they can be grown aquatically, this method, (plus many others), will work.

I'm using the Schultz brand aquatic soil, It is a pelletized clay that doesn't cloud the water.

oppalm · Post by **oppalm** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:11 pm

very cool. how long to germinate those two?

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:04 pm

Thanks! Most of these will have germinated by the time they drop, so I was able to get a couple that were already on their way

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:51 pm

Had two, lost one to an unknown cause

Remaining one is doing fine and opening up it's first frond

Dean W. · Post by **Dean W.** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:49 am

Steve,

Those are huge seeds. Sorry to hear one died.

Dean

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:45 am

Thanks Dean, not really sure what happened. Both were received at the same time and placed side by side under identical conditions.
When received , one tended to float while the other sank, in the end, the one that was still buoyant eventually declined. Maybe I potted that one up too early?
There just isn't much information on growing these out there..........But I am happy to have one going

Steve

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:21 pm

In a good show of holiday spirit, it is sending up a new spear

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:44 pm

Steve,
I had completely forgotten that you had two Nypa growing in water in your GH !!!!
Sorry that one didn't make it.

I'll redirect Don (tropicman) to this post for this excerpt from Riffle & Craft's
An Encyclopedia of Cultivated Palms

This is a fantastic and fantastic-looking species with a tropical but wild and primitive demeanor.
It creates a true 'jungle' aspect like no other species can when planted around ponds or small
lakes. Fortunate is the gardener who has room to grow it. It would only succeed in a large
conservatory or atrium that has full or nearly full sun exposure, an area wide enough, and a soil
deep enough to accommodate the thick trunks.
States adapable only to zones 10b and 11, and that it's fast growing.

Very cool!
How's it doing now, Steve?

Barb

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:05 pm

Thanks Barb

Looking great Steve!!!
Looks to be growing quite fast too!
When your pond gets to thick of these palms and need thinning out look no further!!!LOL
Or you have too many seeds,and you just don't know what to do with them all!!!!
Keeping warm up there in the far north???
Looks like might get some 50 to 60* weather this weekend,I'm hoping!!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:36 pm

Here's a couple of more Nypah fruticans pics to get everyone excited:

Yup, Don, pretty good winter so far (as far as winters go)
Barb

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:52 am

Don, Bring on the warm weather! I like these, and doing all I can to get it to divide and hopefully set seed.
( of course I'll save you some

Barb, Thanks for the photos! ( notice my avatar?

You were asking about availability?, Asiatica usually has these in stock:
http://www.asiaticanursery.com/

I promised this one that if it survives though the Winter, I would give it a small pond to live in....lol

New spear on it's way,

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:14 am

Ok where and I'll drive by and gets a few!!!!LOL

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:06 am

Steve,
a new avatar! and it's NYPA...(and I thought I was observant!)

Did your second one recover? think I see two?
They'll set seed that young ?

I think you'd better clone those fish...everything they touch turns to gold.

Great reason to build a pond...honey, I have a palm that HAS TO sit in water!

Barb

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:28 am

Steve,yes,I see your new Avatar!!!!
Looks great!

I also see you have aquarium heater in your pond,what temp are you keeping?
In one of my books on palms,by Martin Gibbons,hr writes these are extremely difficult to germinate outside there natural habitat,and if they do germinate,most likely will shortly afterwards.
Steve,looks like you picked a rather hard palm to grow,but you seem to have one going good,so congrats to you my friend!
Don

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:49 pm

Barb, just the one left

Have some Manicaria & Salacca hopefully germinating, so maybe that one will have some company soon

Don, With 40 gallons total, I have two 200W heaters keeping it about 68*F. Thanks for the comments, sounds like everyone got new Palm reference books for Christmas. ( except me, maybe next year....lol

Steve

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:06 pm

Steve, I've never heard of those two you mentioned.

But a bit of Google Imaging and I see you're way ahead of the rest of us ... AGAIN.
Nice choices.

Hope that Nypa fruiticans does well in your (and the fishes) care.

How do you fit it all in your GH?
How do YOU fit in the GH with all those plants?
Congrats buddy!

Barb

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:12 am

Barb, Plenty of room left

Looking in through the door,

I can still sort of fit down the aisle,

Few seedlings left,

I see lots of room for more

Steve

Laaz · Post by **Laaz** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:17 am

Damn Steve... Your going to need a bigger place soon...

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:26 am

Hoping to double the size of this one, already have most of the materials set aside, so once it warms up a little

Steve

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:48 pm

Steve,
and if you double it TOWARDS the house, there'll be less distance for the gas line to it

As always, everything looks great!
Barb

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:16 pm

This one made it through the Winter in the green house

( trying too keep 40+ gallons of circulating water above 50*F all Winter is not as easy as it would seem )

This one has a new friend now too to keep it company, Salacca wallichiana

Steve

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:28 pm

Looks like it's on it's way in becoming a big palm some day!
Congrats!
Don

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:13 pm

Thanks Don!
I have my eye on a 125 gallon preformed pond liner for it's new home this Summer.
(or bigger if I can work it into the budget)
Hopefully Winter was kind to your plants? Less than a month and things can start going outside

Steve

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:14 pm

Hey Steve,
well lost a few things,but that is to be expected,I guess learned a lesson on plants on the floor,get them off the floor,I though the rubber flooring would keep things warmer than just dirt floor,but now I think I need to but a wood floor in the north greenhouse. 125 gallon sounds great!!!,is this for outside only or you going to have it inside the greenhouse?
Yep about a couple more weeks,I'll start bring out some palms and bananas.
Did you lose anything planted in the ground?
All my washy's and one T.Waggie had spear pull,they all were doing good until that last cold spell that fell down to zero.
Well still got some watering to do.
Don

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:44 pm

Don,
Had the flu and some complications this month, I unplugged the one enclosure and forgot to plug it back in....... things ended up a little toasted.

The robusta is already pushing a new spear, so no real damage

I'm hoping to get the green house expanded this year, with the pond right in the middle of the new section, and a 12' roof.
(at least that is the plan, hopefully nature will cooperate this season)

Steve

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:36 pm

Well looks like spring weather is coming,so hopefully will give you some time before it gets to hot outside to work,sorry to hear about the flu,had a few days myself that things weren't feeling so good.
Yep,nothing to worry about,since it's pushing a new spear,I have a few on the inside with some burnt dead leaves,but there still pushing new ones,so week after next I'll push a few outside,and get these season off to a new start.
Don't forget to show pics of your greenhouse project,everybody here is interested in your progress!!!
Don

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:13 pm

Hey Don, long time no see!!!

Hoping to soon see pics of your cool blue chairs on that patio surrounded by bananas again!
Glad your stuff got through relatively unscathed.
I too would think a rubber floor was a good insulator against cold from the ground up.

Steve, that Nypa has grown beautifully, not a mark on it. Congrats.
That young Salacca's color is very attractive.

Sure you've got space left (ahem...

),
I'll never tire looking at those pics.
you've even got strapping to keep the pots on the shelves.

I also look forward to seeing the construction pics...as close as I'll get to having a GH.
Barb

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:20 pm

Hi Barb,
Been busy busy busy!
Plants are wanting to grow,with no room to grow in!!!LOL
Greenhouse is busting at the seems!
Have lots of new seeds planted waiting on the to germinate,hopefully soon!!!!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:24 pm

Just make sure you've got batteries for your camera, Don.
Barb

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:07 am

You bet!
Some of these seeds were as big as pecans,so it might take some time,been almost 3 months and nothing yet!
Neovetchi Starkii,black crown palm,and Dypsis Orange crush,Dypsis Fine leaf,this palm supposedly is so new hasn't been officially named yet, 2 kinds of Pindos,3 different kinds of sabal.Licuala Orbicularis,Travelers Palm,and just planted a few Queen palms as well,and have more seeds coming too!
Should be exciting if some of these pop,I love the challenge of just growing them on!!!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:42 am

Don,
Good luck with the Licuala orbicularis! that is one on my "Wish" list.

Looking forward to your photos

Steve

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:55 pm

Thanks,been 3 months almost and none has popped yet!
I will need all the luck I can get!
Well if some pop you can take it off your wish list!!!!

lucky1 · Post by **lucky1** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:41 pm

What a selection of seeds, great, Don!

I'm with you on the waiting thingy...I'm at about 4-something months for Bizzie nobilis, Copernicia hospita, Brahea armata, and something-or-other-Super-Silver...
And I'm at 5+ months for Dypsis decaryii...

And like an idiot, I just ordered seeds of C. debaoensis and C. panzhi.
I hate the waiting.
We should farm out our germination work to Steve...

Barb

tropicman · Post by **tropicman** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:13 pm

Here ! Here! I agree!
Steve would have them popped in a month or less!!!LOL

He sure has the magic touch when it comes to that!!!!

Knnn · Post by **Knnn** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:54 am

Well.... I don't post photos of the seeds I've been waiting on over a year or two

I put most of my efforts into finding fresh seed, with that, most will germinate within a month or two.

Here's a photo of that enclosure with everything trimmed, with all this robusta has been through the last couple years, I'm amazed it's still going

(the aloe has also started to bloom)

Steve

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